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Ive done the old hydroxy with ephed precompetition it was great but high doses of ephed are bad for the nervous system and liver so unless your a serious competitor or its life and death to lose 15lbs stay off the ephed. No reason to risk the side fx and never sleep. I found that the new hardcore only works when one takes 2-3 caps every 3-6hrs depending on how long your day is going to be. Theres alot of caff. In it so beware if your caffeine sensitve, give plenty of time before sleep.
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