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Fumey 02-04-2013 11:19 AM

No start , dead as a doornail
 
Jumped the '12 Focus this a.m. , not sure if work will allow for time to take it to dealer to have them check charging system today... been reading of other no start issues , from batteries being replaced , BCMs being replaced , etc .
Always had a quirk , where I'd turn the key and nothing would happen -then turn it again and it'd start , that I've addressed more than once to my local dealer , and actually turned out to be a symptom of the transmission not communicating with the ignition , or so I'm told , that was fixed with the software upgrades I had done - when the car was under warranty. When the car was only covered under the drive train warranty (I rack up a lot of miles), it did the same thing , I paid a hundred dollar deductible to have them tell me there was nothing wrong. To Ford Customer Service Departments credit , they did help me with a new warranty . But I did experience the same "turn key ,no start " issue at least a few times since .
And now the dead car this morning . Anyone else having similar issues ?

gkirk 02-04-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fumey (Post 4572069)
Jumped the '12 Focus this a.m. , not sure if work will allow for time to take it to dealer to have them check charging system today... been reading of other no start issues , from batteries being replaced , BCMs being replaced , etc .
Always had a quirk , where I'd turn the key and nothing would happen -then turn it again and it'd start , that I've addressed more than once to my local dealer , and actually turned out to be a symptom of the transmission not communicating with the ignition , or so I'm told , that was fixed with the software upgrades I had done - when the car was under warranty. When the car was only covered under the drive train warranty (I rack up a lot of miles), it did the same thing , I paid a hundred dollar deductible to have them tell me there was nothing wrong. To Ford Customer Service Departments credit , they did help me with a new warranty . But I did experience the same "turn key ,no start " issue at least a few times since .
And now the dead car this morning . Anyone else having similar issues ?

I think the current issue is not well enough established for anyone to say they had the same thing.

Dead as a doornail could be a bad ignition, dead battery, etc. Did you try jump starting it?

It sounds like you might have something as simple a bad lead to the battery.

katchoo22 02-04-2013 02:17 PM

That happened to me when I first got my 2002 zetec from the dealer. Random sporadic incidents of nothing, completely nothing when I'd turn the key. Just as random and sporadic it would start right back up. Took it in multiple times to dealer under warranty, they replaced the battery one time...told me another time that the stereo was draining the battery and that they fixed it...again it happened, this time it was the alarm system (that I ordered when I bought the car and they installed -- or sent out for installation) interfering with the ignition but they assured me they fixed the problem. Took it back for other issues when I found out that their "fix" to my starting problem was to remove my alarm system without my knowledge. They're condescending and superior service manager insisted that I did NOT have an alarm, that it is a "keyless entry,ma'am." After quite a few choice words from my ever-so-independent mouth and a threat by them to have me removed, I insisted they get the salesman who sold me the car who confirmed that I did indeed order, pay for, and have installed an alarm system. They quickly had another alarm system reinstalled after which I went back AGAIN for a no-start issue. This time they told me they would have to cut the alarm wires, which I finally told them just do it. They left the alarm module and all the wiring hanging from beneath my dash. Otherwise, car worked fine for several years until a little over a year ago when it happened again. This time I couldn't get it started at all. Went three and a half months having to pop my clutch before I finally had enough. Starter, alternator, all systems were fine. I pulled the shroud off my steering column, followed my ignition wire to the jumbled mess beneath my dash where they had spliced my ignition wires to install the alarm. My foot must have been hitting the wires and eventually knocked the splice completely loose. I can't tell you how FURIOUS I was with that service department and it STILL makes me mad. This was at a time when I didn't know the first thing about the mechanical workings of my car. I have not had one single problem starting my car since I repaired the mess they made. Don't know if it's related or not, but I would suggest tracing your wiring and components along the way. Good luck!

tdmer 02-04-2013 03:25 PM

My Dealer found the battery cable to the starter terminal was loose causing intermittent no crank situation...

gkirk 02-04-2013 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tdmer (Post 4572353)
My Dealer found the battery cable to the starter terminal was loose causing intermittent no crank situation...

i think the first thing i'd do with OPs problem is to disconnect and clean both battery leads. Clean the battery terminals and check those cables.

with a cold battery cold/and or some corrosion on the leads a poorly connected lead can lower the voltage enough that the car won't turn over.

gkirk 02-04-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katchoo22 (Post 4572274)
That happened to me when I first got my 2002 zetec from the dealer. Random sporadic incidents of nothing, completely nothing when I'd turn the key. Just as random and sporadic it would start right back up. Took it in multiple times to dealer under warranty, they replaced the battery one time...told me another time that the stereo was draining the battery and that they fixed it...again it happened, this time it was the alarm system (that I ordered when I bought the car and they installed -- or sent out for installation) interfering with the ignition but they assured me they fixed the problem. Took it back for other issues when I found out that their "fix" to my starting problem was to remove my alarm system without my knowledge. They're condescending and superior service manager insisted that I did NOT have an alarm, that it is a "keyless entry,ma'am." After quite a few choice words from my ever-so-independent mouth and a threat by them to have me removed, I insisted they get the salesman who sold me the car who confirmed that I did indeed order, pay for, and have installed an alarm system. They quickly had another alarm system reinstalled after which I went back AGAIN for a no-start issue. This time they told me they would have to cut the alarm wires, which I finally told them just do it. They left the alarm module and all the wiring hanging from beneath my dash. Otherwise, car worked fine for several years until a little over a year ago when it happened again. This time I couldn't get it started at all. Went three and a half months having to pop my clutch before I finally had enough. Starter, alternator, all systems were fine. I pulled the shroud off my steering column, followed my ignition wire to the jumbled mess beneath my dash where they had spliced my ignition wires to install the alarm. My foot must have been hitting the wires and eventually knocked the splice completely loose. I can't tell you how FURIOUS I was with that service department and it STILL makes me mad. This was at a time when I didn't know the first thing about the mechanical workings of my car. I have not had one single problem starting my car since I repaired the mess they made. Don't know if it's related or not, but I would suggest tracing your wiring and components along the way. Good luck!

I am annoyed just reading this. :\

Fumey 02-04-2013 03:37 PM

Gkirk , yes , I did jump the battery , and it started . You may be right , it may be something as simple as a loose connection , but a google search tells me new focus owners are having new batteries replaced multiple times . I'm taking it to the dealer Wednesday to see if they can find any indication of a parasitic drain- but I'm not optimistic . Just wanted to see if anyone on this forum had similar experiences . Focus Fanstics have helped me get my ducks in a row before .
Thanks .
And thank you , Katchoo- glad to hear you solved it .

Fumey 02-04-2013 03:42 PM

Also , the connections were tight /clean by the battery , but I didn't check by the stater ....[scratch]

Supramk3 02-04-2013 07:04 PM

does any message come up on your message center? i had to have a key replaced. the chip in it was bad. message center said "Key Not Detected". it wouldnt start or crank over.

warneej 02-04-2013 07:08 PM

I had the same issue due to massive corrosion on my positive battery lead at the battery. Cleaned it up and had the dealer replace the battery to keep it from coming back and all is well.


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