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Edgenet 01-19-2013 10:40 AM

Can I remove the ignition key Tumblers.
 
Can I remove the ignition key Tumblers and make the ignition key work. The key will not turn the ignition at this point. If I were to remove the ignition assembly and is there a way to simply remove the tumblers and be done with it. I have read on other postings that dealers want around $600++ to replace the assembly.

This is 2002 Ford Focus.

TerryB 01-19-2013 10:57 AM

I haven't use my tumblers since I replaced my ignition cylinder. It seemed like a PITA to set them. I just left them out. I'm not sure if that would solve the locked up ignition though. I have the updated version. You can replace the cylinder yourself.
http://www.amazon.com/Motorcraft-SW6...ition+cylinder

SkyPilot 01-19-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Edgenet (Post 4546942)
Can I remove the ignition key Tumblers and make the ignition key work. The key will not turn the ignition at this point. If I were to remove the ignition assembly and is there a way to simply remove the tumblers and be done with it. I have read on other postings that dealers want around $600++ to replace the assembly.

This is 2002 Ford Focus.

$600!?!? now thats highway robbery. Call around to local locksmiths they should be able to sell you a new ignition and key it for you, for around $100 or less.

whynotthinkwhynot 01-19-2013 01:56 PM

The ignition lock cylinder is a well known problem on this board.

Here's what I would do if I was in your situation:
First, purchase a new, improved style lock cylinder from your local Ford dealer, or an online Ford parts dealer. The difference between the 2 lock cylinders (so you don't purchase an old faulty lock cylinder on Ebay) is that the key hole is in the center of the lock cylinder on the improved version. The old, busted, style has the key hole off center of the lock cylinder- like the one in your car now. Once you change to the improved style, there will be no more ignition lock cylinder problems. Once you have your new lock cylinder, take it and your other key to a locksmith and have the new lock cylinder keyed to your key. This is important because Ford keys contain an RFID chip that is linked to your ECU. If you don't use that key, then you'll need a Ford dealer to reprogram a new key for your new lock, and that would cost USD$100 or so. Don't make that mistake. Now that you have a new lock cylinder ready to be installed- try the last resort before drilling. Remove the plastic surrounding the console so you can see the base of the lock cylinder. Spray some WD40 in the key hole, insert your key, tap on the end of the key with a screwdriver handle like the key was a nail and you were driving it into the console. Try to turn the key while you are doing this. I would try doing this for about 15 mins. If the key turns- you want the key in the ACC position or "Position I"- if I recall correctly, in order to remove the lock cylinder. Your new lock cylinder should come with directions. If it turns, then all you have to do is press in on the detent that pops out at the base of the lock cylinder and remove the old lock cylinder. Hopefully you can get your key out. Now install your new lock cylinder, replace the plastic, and you're good to go.

If you can't get the key to turn, you must drill out the old lock cylinder in order to remove it. This is why we beg people to replace the old lock cylinder before it locks up. Yes, damage to the steering column is possible if you are not careful and use too much force drilling the lock cylinder out. The shop you use will probably tell you this also, and they will not replace a steering column for free if they screw up. Your car is in jail until you pay what they say you have to pay. Here is how you can drill out the lock cylinder for yourself if you have a drill, are careful, and can follow directions.

Drilling out Lock cylinder after lock-up and replacing

tjboston5676 01-19-2013 02:06 PM

Set it up on a push button start and be just remove the cylinder and be done with it

gondorian 01-23-2013 07:02 PM

Pounding on the key as whynotthinkwhynot suggested is a good idea but you may want to make a dumb key first to avoid messing up your PATS key.

whynotthinkwhynot 01-23-2013 07:04 PM

I don't mean pound--- tap lightly!!

And use Aero-kroil if possible.

amc49 01-24-2013 01:17 AM

If any help, the actual key in the cylinder faces almost straight down into its' slot. Key itself must move UP a slight amount while exerting a small amount of twist on the ignition key. I've lightly hammer tapped and used an engraving tool both to move the key enough to clear the slot.

The way they wear without any warning at all before won't turn on suggests that if you just take patience in hand, you can repeatedly attempt to turn it on, one time in there it can work but may take a hundred times. Do NOT use any force on key, that only makes key lock tighter in keyway to not come out.

I remember sitting outside work one night when mine quit, it took 45 minutes to hit it right..........


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