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rbpexman 01-11-2013 07:33 AM

2012...Magnaflow good choice?
 
I need quick feedback as I may have a Magnaflow put on this morning. Please...what do you folks think about it?

Slo86GT 01-11-2013 10:15 AM

Cat back or just a muffler?

I'm trying to figure out if the 2.5" catback from an ST, modded to fit, would be a better choice than the standard 2.25" model for the N/A cars currently...

suss6052 01-11-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Slo86GT (Post 4535322)
Cat back or just a muffler?

I'm trying to figure out if the 2.5" catback from an ST, modded to fit, would be a better choice than the standard 2.25" model for the N/A cars currently...

The 2.5" would have a lower restriction than the 2.25" tubing, however if you go too large you reduce the backpressure too far and start to hurt performance.

Its been discussed that the 2.5" might be a better plan if you are planning on adding additional power adders down the line. If the limit of your modding is an intake and exhaust and nothing else a 2.25" exhaust may work better.

Slo86GT 01-11-2013 11:03 AM

Soooo if a 5.0L pushrod made 225hp from the factory with 2.25" dual pipes... Why does it gain power moving to a 2.5" system? I daresay that a 2.0L making 160hp from the factory is moving much more air volume than that weezy 2.5L per bank engine.

I honestly don't give much credit to the backpressure theories on modern cars where multiple cats are retained. The cats are a blockage, and force backpressure to be retained for the engine side of things, cancelling out most if not all pulsation in the exhaust flow, and anything post-cat system is made better by open pipes.

suss6052 01-11-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Slo86GT (Post 4535376)
Soooo if a 5.0L pushrod made 225hp from the factory with 2.25" dual pipes... Why does it gain power moving to a 2.5" system? I daresay that a 2.0L making 160hp from the factory is moving much more air volume than that weezy 2.5L per bank engine.

I honestly don't give much credit to the backpressure theories on modern cars where multiple cats are retained. The cats are a blockage, and force backpressure to be retained for the engine side of things, cancelling out most if not all pulsation in the exhaust flow, and anything post-cat system is made better by open pipes.

Pv=nRT, which is the ideal gas law will explain the principle of how the exhaust gasses flow at a very basic level.

The stock system on the 5.0 L was quite restrictive at the time.

Modern catylasts don't pose nearly the restriction on flow or increase in back pressure as the earlier systems did as well.

Only the PZEV models have two catalysts though for the 2012+ 2.0 L GDI Ti-VCT, the regular models only have the integrated exhaust manifold catalyst.

Brabs_Weather 01-11-2013 12:07 PM

I am pretty sure the stock N/A Focus exhaust is 2'' pipe.

felixthecat 01-11-2013 12:17 PM

If the aftermarket offers a 2.5'' over a 2.25'', I'd get the 2.5 system. I'd bet most of the aftermarket kits are geared towards the 2.5'' systems.

CajunR 01-11-2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Slo86GT (Post 4535376)
I honestly don't give much credit to the backpressure theories on modern cars where multiple cats are retained. The cats are a blockage, and force backpressure to be retained for the engine side of things, cancelling out most if not all pulsation in the exhaust flow, and anything post-cat system is made better by open pipes.

From another forum I frequent. (There's lots of good info to be found by Googling 'back pressure myth'. [thumb])

Backpressure: The myth and why it's wrong.

I. Introduction
One of the most misunderstood concepts in exhaust theory is backpressure. People love to talk about backpressure on message boards with no real understanding of what it is and what it's consequences are. I'm sure many of you have heard or read the phrase "Engines need backpressure" when discussing exhaust upgrades. That phrase is in fact completely inaccurate and a wholly misguided notion.

II. Some basic exhaust theory
Your exhaust system is designed to evacuate gases from the combustion chamber quickly and efficently. Exhaust gases are not produced in a smooth stream; exhaust gases originate in pulses. A 4 cylinder motor will have 4 distinct pulses per complete engine cycle, a 6 cylinder has 6 pules and so on. The more pulses that are produced, the more continuous the exhaust flow. Backpressure can be loosely defined as the resistance to positive flow - in this case, the resistance to positive flow of the exhaust stream.

III. Backpressure and velocity
Some people operate under the misguided notion that wider pipes are more effective at clearing the combustion chamber than narrower pipes. It's not hard to see how this misconception is appealing - wider pipes have the capability to flow more than narrower pipes. So if they have the ability to flow more, why isn't "wider is better" a good rule of thumb for exhaust upgrading? In a word - VELOCITY. I'm sure that all of you have at one time used a garden hose w/o a spray nozzle on it. If you let the water just run unrestricted out of the house it flows at a rather slow rate. However, if you take your finger and cover part of the opening, the water will flow out at a much much faster rate.

The astute exhaust designer knows that you must balance flow capacity with velocity. You want the exhaust gases to exit the chamber and speed along at the highest velocity possible - you want a FAST exhaust stream. If you have two exhaust pulses of equal volume, one in a 2" pipe and one in a 3" pipe, the pulse in the 2" pipe will be traveling considerably FASTER than the pulse in the 3" pipe. While it is true that the narrower the pipe, the higher the velocity of the exiting gases, you want make sure the pipe is wide enough so that there is as little backpressure as possible while maintaining suitable exhaust gas velocity. Backpressure in it's most extreme form can lead to reversion of the exhaust stream - that is to say the exhaust flows backwards, which is not good. The trick is to have a pipe that that is as narrow as possible while having as close to zero backpressure as possible at the RPM range you want your power band to be located at. Exhaust pipe diameters are best suited to a particular RPM range. A smaller pipe diameter will produce higher exhaust velocities at a lower RPM but create unacceptably high amounts of backpressure at high rpm. Thus if your powerband is located 2-3000 RPM you'd want a narrower pipe than if your powerband is located at 8-9000RPM.

Many engineers try to work around the RPM specific nature of pipe diameters by using setups that are capable of creating a similar effect as a change in pipe diameter on the fly. The most advanced is Ferrari's which consists of two exhaust paths after the header - at low RPM only one path is open to maintain exhaust velocity, but as RPM climbs and exhaust volume increases, the second path is opened to curb backpressure - since there is greater exhaust volume there is no loss in flow velocity. BMW and Nissan use a simpler and less effective method - there is a single exhaust path to the muffler; the muffler has two paths; one path is closed at low RPM but both are open at high RPM.

IV. So how did this myth come to be?
I often wonder how the myth "Engines need backpressure" came to be. Mostly I believe it is a misunderstanding of what is going on with the exhaust stream as pipe diameters change. For instance, someone with a civic decides he's going to uprade his exhaust with a 3" diameter piping. Once it's installed the owner notices that he seems to have lost a good bit of power throughout the powerband. He makes the connections in the following manner: "My wider exhaust eliminated all backpressure but I lost power, therefore the motor must need some backpressure in order to make power." What he did not realize is that he killed off all his flow velocity by using such a ridiculously wide pipe. It would have been possible for him to achieve close to zero backpressure with a much narrower pipe - in that way he would not have lost all his flow velocity.

V. So why is exhaust velocity so important?
The faster an exhaust pulse moves, the better it can scavenge out all of the spent gasses during valve overlap. The guiding principles of exhaust pulse scavenging are a bit beyond the scope of this doc but the general idea is a fast moving pulse creates a low pressure area behind it. This low pressure area acts as a vacuum and draws along the air behind it. A similar example would be a vehicle traveling at a high rate of speed on a dusty road. There is a low pressure area immediately behind the moving vehicle - dust particles get sucked into this low pressure area causing it to collect on the back of the vehicle. This effect is most noticeable on vans and hatchbacks which tend to create large trailing low pressure areas - giving rise to the numerous "wash me please" messages written in the thickly collected dust on the rear door(s).

1948 panhead 01-11-2013 06:47 PM

I went with the 2.25 from Magnaflow. It sounds good and helped the performance. Just installed a Green Performance air filter. It sounds great and really pulls well.

Joey D 01-12-2013 09:16 AM

There's nothing wrong with the Magnaflow. I have it on my car and love it, it sounds greats and the drone is very minimal on the highway. I drive across the state quite a bit and I haven't been annoyed at all by it. It woke up the car a little bit too!


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