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GodLovesUgly 06-15-2012 11:21 AM

shift or no shift?
 
Here is a good read for those in need-
http://www.vorshlag.com/tech_upshift.php

What is your take on down/up shifting?
I've always heard shifting adds more time then it's really worth but yet i still do it when i feel like i need it. The Miata has ZERO power at the bottom of 2nd (reminds me of the SVT!) so i usually play with the shifter if it's easy to shift in that particular corner/element. I'm sure this is all relative, but i'd like opinions.

To shift, or not to shift??

tukaniSVT 06-19-2012 11:54 AM

I am a shift once kinda person at the beginning. I have found when I race that shifting somewhere in the middle does slow you down.

-Ray-

kwg2371 06-19-2012 12:07 PM

if it's a short course just stay in first and hit redline if u get to redline then of course shift

from what I have experienced with my SVT first gear seems to be the sweet spot unless your boosting

Zewerr 06-19-2012 10:49 PM

I've always felt that downshifting back into first in a front wheel drive vehicle with an open differential slows you down. If you can get the inside wheel to spin trying to accelerate out of a corner in second, the being in first is only going to be worse. I find it's only worth it on extremely tight corners (ones that really have no business being on a well designed autocross course). And in an SVT, third is always out of the question, unless the course is ridiculous.

Konacus 06-20-2012 01:17 AM

I haven't been able to do much racing recently, but when I do have the chance to get out, I find that only using first gear as a starting point helps out for my style of racing. If it's a straight course for a while at the start, I'll run first up to about 4000 which is pretty much the end of the pull there, then shift into second, and by the time I get any high rpms it's time to slow a bit and turn. If the course starts out with a tiny straight and a turn, hold first until you get out of the turn and punch it. When your car stops pulling in first, it's time to shift and whoop some ass. I usually stay in second unless there's a really long straight or slalom to the finish. In that case I get better traction and pull in the lower end of third.[thumb]

tukaniSVT 06-20-2012 08:42 AM

I haven't pulled third but once in the 3 years that I have autoX'd.

2nd is usually the best place to because you will usually stay in the mid-range before redline. Very rarely, have I redlined the car in 2nd. 1st is nice and long, but yeah, it can be uncontrolling a bit if you have to slow-down.

-Ray-

wrc_fan 06-20-2012 11:33 AM

Most of the time its one shift for me, up to second and stay there. Since I've been running the ST final drive and with the 225/45/15 tires, I haven't had to down shift back to first, ever. Very rarely I'll go to third, just like the article says I suck it up and stay in the limiter.

GodLovesUgly 06-20-2012 12:31 PM

I hate the limiter on the SVT, completely bogs the engine.
The Miata has a great limiter and loves to be up there.
I have tried down shifting the Miata to get some RWD rotation, not sure how i feel about it yet.
great opinions! love it.

thenorm 06-26-2012 11:48 PM

I never shift down to first. But I will shift to 3rd if I can stay for a while. I have a 7200 rev limit, but don't often risk going over 6800 unless just for a moment

sleepyboy 06-27-2012 07:50 AM

2nd goes up to 65mph in the SVT, ridiculous if you ask me. Raymond remember back in the day when Coty would go to the AutoX and he would down shift into first and you wouldn't. His times were slower than Raymond's but much closer if he didn't shift if I remember right? In very tight corners a down shift to 1st may help though IMO if done properly and in the right kind of turn. The SVT just feels gutless down low in 2nd, though it's not really that slow if you look at the speedo, but who looks at the speedo right? lol


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