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MacAttack 05-28-2012 06:12 PM

Ford Focus ST vs WRX vs GTi vs Volvo C30 vs Civic SI vs Veloster Turbo vs Mazdaspeed 3
 
This chart is still a work in progress, but here's what I have so far.
Note how much torque and hp the Focus ST has across the rpm range!
With these performance stats, along with the fact that it has 5 usable seats and great utility? I think the Focus ST will be THE car to have in this price range!
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WiscoGTI 05-28-2012 07:21 PM

I feel like I'd still rather have the WRX.. given all those numbers. But I'm just one person.

ZXthrizzle05 05-28-2012 07:22 PM

id have to agree. for price range and horsepower

RedComet 05-28-2012 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WiscoZx3 (Post 4188052)
I feel like I'd still rather have the WRX.. given all those numbers. But I'm just one person.

+1. I'll take an all-wheel drive car with a mechanical limited slip diff all day over FWD cars, at that price. I'm surprised to see the absence of the GT-86 on this chart too, given the random inclusion of the Civic Si, which is...kind of a different car compared to the rest, being a two-door coupe.

MacAttack 05-28-2012 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ZXthrizzle05 (Post 4188055)
id have to agree. for price range and horsepower

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Originally Posted by RedComet (Post 4188157)
+1. I'll take an all-wheel drive car with a mechanical limited slip diff all day over FWD cars, at that price. I'm surprised to see the absence of the GT-86 on this chart too, given the random inclusion of the Civic Si, which is...kind of a different car compared to the rest, being a two-door coupe.

Did you look at the chart?
Sure, it has 12 more HP, but only for a short bit. Torque's lower than the ST, and it only hits that max torque number, 26 lbft lower than the ST, for a short time. Meanwhile, the ST has 270 torque available from 2000 rpms up to 5000. More torque and more power most of the time.
HP sells cars, torque wins races.
Also, the Focus Titanium gas a better skid pad rating (although I didn't list it on the chart) than the WRX. The ST will be even better than that!
That limited slip diff on the WRX is useless in the corners. It's a center diff. All it does is vary the power between the front and back, which is great for bad weather, but useless in the corners.
Plus, torque vectoring control IS electronic. It's also, in many ways, better than a traditional limited slip diff. By actually braking the inside wheel and applying power outside, it can "twist" the car more.

Anyway, the Subaru/Toyota/Scion will make it to the list eventually. I've been adding a car or two per day.

VTwin60 05-28-2012 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WiscoZx3 (Post 4188052)
I feel like I'd still rather have the WRX.. given all those numbers. But I'm just one person.

hopefully the new ST proves to be a reliable powerplant, something that Subaru does not have. Yes they're fast and yes you can modify them for great power, but they have more than just a few engine problems. They have had issues with both the standard WRX and STI with piston ring failures at an alarmingly high level bone stock from the factory related to insufficient cooling (oil flow) and poor materials. The misfiring and detonation issue is another concern leading to this problem and its an issue that Subaru has had since the last generation of WRX's. Its enough of a problem that several tuner mags make quick mention of it, while saying its the greatest thing since sliced bread in the same breath. Take look at several of the WRX forums around and you may come to a similar conclusion, also keep in mind that relatively very few WRX's are sold nation wide.

I for one am looking forward to the ST in a big way. I would like to know more information on the possible RS Focus as well. Either one of those would make a fine addition to my garage.

mjd4277 05-28-2012 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VTwin60 (Post 4188231)
hopefully the new ST proves to be a reliable powerplant, something that Subaru does not have. Yes they're fast and yes you can modify them for great power, but they have more than just a few engine problems. They have had issues with both the standard WRX and STI with piston ring failures at an alarmingly high level bone stock from the factory related to insufficient cooling (oil flow) and poor materials. The misfiring and detonation issue is another concern leading to this problem and its an issue that Subaru has had since the last generation of WRX's. Its enough of a problem that several tuner mags make quick mention of it, while saying its the greatest thing since sliced bread in the same breath. Take look at several of the WRX forums around and you may come to a similar conclusion, also keep in mind that relatively very few WRX's are sold nation wide.

Actually the WRX(both the regular and the STi version)have been very popular ever since the first ones hit our shore back in 2001. No car is perfect(I can recall a few Fords that have major issues just as bad-or worse) and the ST has yet to prove it's durability and long term reliability.

DrkKnight614 05-29-2012 10:38 AM

Posted via FF Mobile Good list, looking forward to the updates. And yes please put down more tests like skid pad and slalom. 2012 Titanium with handling package posted .91gs on the skid pad.

Peregrine 05-29-2012 10:46 AM

.91g(s) on the skidpad is pretty damn good.

MacAttack 05-29-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DrkKnight614 (Post 4188855)
Posted via FF Mobile Good list, looking forward to the updates. And yes please put down more tests like skid pad and slalom. 2012 Titanium with handling package posted .91gs on the skid pad.

Yeah, and the ST should do even better, with wider tires and more aggressive torque vectoring. I'm really looking forward to seeing what this car can do.


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