Ford Focus Forum, Ford Focus ST Forum, Ford Focus RS Forum

Ford Focus Forum, Ford Focus ST Forum, Ford Focus RS Forum (http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/index.php)
-   MK3 Focus (http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=121)
-   -   2012 Focus owners - how do you like Powershift tranny so far? (http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256285)

focus11 04-22-2011 01:56 AM

2012 Focus owners - how do you like Powershift tranny so far?
 
For those who own a 2012 Focus with the Powershift 6-speed automatic transmission, so far how do you like it? Any problems or concerns you might have? I recently test drove 2 Focus models (1 sedan, 1 hatchback) and the Powershift performed flawlessly and seamlessly. Felt very much like a regular automatic transmission. I came away very impressed with the performance.

Thanks for your feedback!

Targon 04-22-2011 11:54 AM

I don't have one YET, but the two that I took for a test drive felt very smooth and NOT like most automatics. The normal slow shifting really does feel like it is gone. I suspect that some work is still needed for WHEN the car should shift, but it feels VERY smooth in acceleration.

autolite 04-22-2011 10:20 PM

Heard there is are are issues with them shuddering till you get over 300 miles on them.Then they are fine.

usapatriot 04-23-2011 07:49 AM

Like any new car, all the parts have to break in.

mmmoose 04-23-2011 09:00 AM

The low-speed "shuddering" is normal for any dual clutch transmission. The same effect can be felt on a GTI or R32 with VW's DSG transmission. A lot customers simply don't understand that a dual clutch transmission is basically an automated manual transmission, and that manual transmissions by nature have a very notchy feel to it.

Traditional automatics use a torque converter to help synchronize gear changes and make shifting smoother. It also unfortunately delays the process of shifting itself and saps power from the engine in the process. And CVT equipped cars don't have any physical gears to speak of, so they're even smoother. So any regular customer who goes from driving one of those to a dual clutch transmission car will probably think that something is wrong when they feel the transmission jerking.

Ford could definitely solve the problem by making the lower gears taller, or by inducing some type of artificial delay in the shifting process. However your fuel economy will suffer and the transmission won't feel nearly as responsive. Essentially you're taking away the two major benefits of even using this transmission technology to begin with.

The bottom line is if some people can't handle the way this transmission works, they should look into getting a car with a regular automatic or CVT instead. There's no reason Ford should have to resort to castrating the PowerShift transmission for the sake of smoothness. I'm sure in the future they'll find ways to make it shift smoother without compromising anything. But for now this is what it is.

DrkKnight614 04-23-2011 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmmoose (Post 3645417)
The low-speed "shuddering" is normal for any dual clutch transmission. The same effect can be felt on a GTI or R32 with VW's DSG transmission. A lot customers simply don't understand that a dual clutch transmission is basically an automated manual transmission, and that manual transmissions by nature have a very notchy feel to it.

Traditional automatics use a torque converter to help synchronize gear changes and make shifting smoother. It also unfortunately delays the process of shifting itself and saps power from the engine in the process. And CVT equipped cars don't have any physical gears to speak of, so they're even smoother. So any regular customer who goes from driving one of those to a dual clutch transmission car will probably think that something is wrong when they feel the transmission jerking.

Ford could definitely solve the problem by making the lower gears taller, or by inducing some type of artificial delay in the shifting process. However your fuel economy will suffer and the transmission won't feel nearly as responsive. Essentially you're taking away the two major benefits of even using this transmission technology to begin with.

The bottom line is if some people can't handle the way this transmission works, they should look into getting a car with a regular automatic or CVT instead. There's no reason Ford should have to resort to castrating the PowerShift transmission for the sake of smoothness. I'm sure in the future they'll find ways to make it shift smoother without compromising anything. But for now this is what it is.


Good post, and I totally agree. Ford better not! Ill have a shit fit.
Posted via FF Mobile

2012htch 04-23-2011 11:07 PM

I find the trans very smooth. I try to make the car jerk at 1st gear but it just shifts when expected! If you never drove a manual you would not notice the feeling of the dual clutch, it's hard to explain!

CoasterDan 06-05-2011 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmmoose (Post 3645417)
The low-speed "shuddering" is normal for any dual clutch transmission. The same effect can be felt on a GTI or R32 with VW's DSG transmission. A lot customers simply don't understand that a dual clutch transmission is basically an automated manual transmission, and that manual transmissions by nature have a very notchy feel to it.

Traditional automatics use a torque converter to help synchronize gear changes and make shifting smoother. It also unfortunately delays the process of shifting itself and saps power from the engine in the process. And CVT equipped cars don't have any physical gears to speak of, so they're even smoother. So any regular customer who goes from driving one of those to a dual clutch transmission car will probably think that something is wrong when they feel the transmission jerking.

Ford could definitely solve the problem by making the lower gears taller, or by inducing some type of artificial delay in the shifting process. However your fuel economy will suffer and the transmission won't feel nearly as responsive. Essentially you're taking away the two major benefits of even using this transmission technology to begin with.

The bottom line is if some people can't handle the way this transmission works, they should look into getting a car with a regular automatic or CVT instead. There's no reason Ford should have to resort to castrating the PowerShift transmission for the sake of smoothness. I'm sure in the future they'll find ways to make it shift smoother without compromising anything. But for now this is what it is.

Sorry Moose but I have to disagree. No auto. transmission should shudder at any speed. I drove the VW dsg transmission only once, but I did not feel any low speed shudder as I am feeling (sometimes) in my new Focus. Hopefully, the problem will correct itself with more miles. The problem wouldn't be solved with taller gears; that might only make things worse. A delay in the shifts (there's already some delay or at least "softness"--the shifts are softer than VW's dsg) wouldn't help the shudder either.

As for manual transmissions (I have own in my current car and have owned several cars with them), if they are driven properly, they are very smooth.

I like firmer shifts and the response, weight savings and hopefully fuel savings you can get from a dual clutch transmission, but Ford has to get it right. The Powershift is the only auto. transmission offered in what is supposed to be a high volume car. I'm sure that most of these cars will be equipped with the Powershift. Shuddering and jerky shifts (I'm getting those when the car is cold) will turn buyers off. I can live with these relatively minor issues, even if they are not resolved, but I'm not sure that everyone would want to.

It might help if the Ford salespeople explained to the potential customers that the transmission is not like a typical auto. trans. and will act a little differently in some respects. However, I'm not sure that they have the requisite knowledge to be able to do that and/or that they want to. My salesman said nothing about the dual-clutch Powershift.

Having said all that, I do like the Focus a lot and if it proves to be reliable, will enjoy driving it for years.

firstfordever 06-05-2011 06:38 PM

no problems with mine
 
I have not noted any problems with mine and have 1600 miles on it so far. I find it shifts very smoothly with the best evidence that I don't even notice the tranny. I had an 08 Enclave where the set-up for the tranny was so bad it was difficult to drive until a reflash was offered that solved most of the problems. I am also impressed with the sport mode and do not fine the button shifter cumbersome at all as many reviewers have.

Spartan12 06-05-2011 09:19 PM

It's smooth, but it did confuse itself one day and clunked hard into 1st gear as I was coming to a stop. [:0]


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:12 AM.