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10-14-2005 11:29 AM
viney266 Thats right !! Show the wagon some love !!!
10-14-2005 11:27 AM
Lil PZEV I think there's rather long-standing criticism of EPA mileage estimates. Unusual about the VWTDs though, I thought generally the numbers Overestimate what most people get.

It would seem odd to only get about high 30s in a diesel, since certain gas cars can get that with clever tactics and a feather-foot. I always thought they were up closer to 50, but I've never had one so I couldn't be sure.
10-14-2005 11:27 AM
Tbones00SE People are getting way less than advertised with Hybrids because they are driving them like normal cars instead of like hybrids. The two biggest factors are hard acceleration and hard braking. With hard acceleration you force the gas engine to engage much sooner than it should. With hard braking you override the regenerative braking system and instead you use the conventional braking system which just wastes the potential energy as heat.
10-14-2005 10:21 AM
microtonal I've heard people on the news complaining about the Toyota Prius too that is doesn't get nearly the mpg advertised. Most people get half what's advertised.

I think their mpg numbers are based on going down a 10% grade hill at 50 mph.

Oh, and the Scion xB looks more like a Van than a station wagon.
10-14-2005 09:18 AM
Carrera26 Those numbers for the VWs are completely unrealistic! If I was only getting 35/42 in my TDI, I would be friggin pissed. Once they are broken in a bit, consumption drops a lot, with a majority of people getting 50+ MPG combined city and highway.

And heck, my nearly 5 year old VR6 GTI gets about 34 MPG on the highway... The Focus is, umm, not quite as good.
10-13-2005 04:07 PM
microtonal The Vibe and Matrix are classified as Station wagons... lol

"Among station wagons, the manual Pontiac Vibe and Toyota Corolla Matrix are tops, each with 30 mpg in the city and 36 on the highway. The most fuel efficient minivan is the Honda Odyssey, 20 mpg in the city and 28 on the highway."

Honda Insight (hybrid) Manual 60/66 Automatic 57/56

Mini Cooper Manual 28/36 Automatic 26/34

Volkswagen New Beetle (diesel) Manual 37/44 Automatic 35/42

Volkswagen Golf (diesel) Manual 37/44
Volkswagen Jetta (diesel) Automatic 35/42

Toyota Prius (hybrid) Automatic 60/51
Hyundai Elantra Manual 27/34

Hyundai Sonata Manual 24/34 Automatic 24/33

Pontiac Vibe Manual 30/36
Toyota Matrix Manual 30/36
Scion xB Automatic 30/34

Ford Focus Station Wagon Automatic 26/32 Manual 26/34

Ford Ranger Pickup 2WD Manual 24/29 Automatic 21/26
Mazda B2300 2WD Manual 24/29 Automatic 21/26
Toyota Tacoma 2WD Automatic 21/26

Chevrolet G1500/2500 Chevy Express 2WD Automatic 15/20
GMC G1500/2500 Savana 2WD Automatic 15/20

Chevrolet G1500/2500 Chevy 2WD Automatic 15/19
GMC G1500/2500 Savana 2WD Automatic 15/19

Honda Odyssey 2WD Automatic 20/28

Ford Escape Hybrid FWD Automatic 36/31
Ford Escape FWD Manual 24/29
Mazda Tribute 2WD Manual 24/29

10-13-2005 03:28 PM
MISVTfocus At least ford made it on there.
10-13-2005 02:01 PM
Top 10 Fuel Efficient 06s

Not sure if the Repost Police will come after me here, it sounds kinda familiar. But in case it is new news:
From here:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp.'s (7203.T) Corolla was the sole gasoline-only car to make a U.S. government list issued on Wednesday of the ten most fuel-efficient 2006 model vehicles.

The Corolla's 32 miles per gallon in the city and 41 miles per gallon on the highway earned it last place on the list of top fuel sippers that was otherwise dominated by gasoline-electric hybrids and diesels.

Honda Motor Co.'s (7267.T) Insight hybrid was in first place, with 60 mpg city and 66 mpg highway, followed by Toyota Motor Corp.'s (7203.T) Prius hybrid with 60 mpg city and 51 highway.

Volkswagen AG (VOWG.DE) grabbed four of the top ten spots with diesel versions of its Beetle, Golf and Jetta models.

Ford Motor Co. (NYSE:F - news) was the only U.S. automaker to make the top ten with the hybrid version of its Escape sport utility vehicle.

Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S.
Department of Energy produce the fuel economy guide to help buyers compare vehicles.

"We know that when consumers are provided the information they need to make informed, educated decisions they choose products that will both save them money and help protect our shared environment," EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson said in a statement.

Among classes of vehicles, the Honda Odyssey was top of the minivan segment with 20 mpg in the city and 28 mpg on the highway for the two-wheel drive version. Best large car was the manual version of the Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd. (005380.KS) Sonata with 24 mpg city and 34 mpg on the highway.

The top pickup trucks were the two-wheel drive Ford Ranger and its Mazda Motor Corp. (7261.T) B2300 cousin with 24 mpg in the city and 29 mpg on the highway.

The automatic version of DaimlerChrysler AG's (DCXGn.DE) Dodge Ram 1500 pickup truck, with an 8.3 liter engine, had the worst fuel economy of any vehicle rated, getting 9 mpg in the city and 12 mpg on the highway.

The fuel economy guide is available at

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