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04-04-2014 01:23 PM
Phordman 40k hard miles in less than a year on my dct no issues here?
03-30-2014 04:25 PM
bshin352 Thank goodness I have a dct, yeah sometimes it's a pain but at least I won't be blowing holes and locking my wheels.
#teamdct
03-30-2014 03:10 PM
Rat Fink
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6F35's have issues too? How so?
2009/2010s have valve body issues that led to burnt direct and o/d clutches. The 6F35 has also required changes to the center support to keep the snap-rings from blowing out. There are LH axle seal leaks due to worn case bushings that is still not a resolved issue (even the 2013s/2014s have the problem) - now they supposedly have a bushing design that will fix it but I have my doubts as they supposedly fixed the problems 2 years ago (yeah right). Torque converter failures are pretty common too (even in new ones). I've had a few 2013s where the torque converter clutch stays locked up and results in stalling while coming to a stop, or any time the trans is shifted into a gear from park/neutral. The last 6F35 I overhauled was in a 2013 and I had to overhaul it because it didn't even get the customer to their first oil change before it cratered. Ford sold piles of the Escapes to people claiming they could be flat-towed behind motorhomes and that resulted in most of them melting/burning up and now you have to install an aftermarket fluid pump to keep the fluid circulating during a tow.....this fix took so long to come out that most RV owners pitched off their vehicles and bought ones from other manufacturers that could actually be towed without melting. The fluid turns extremely dark in these transmissions (black by the first oil change is not uncommon) and Ford has a message saying it is a normal characteristic of Mercon LV yet none of the other Ford transmissions that use the same fluid have that problem. The 6F35 is the only one it does it with. I've seen super duties with 200,000 kms on their mercon LV and it doesn't look half as dark as the fluid from an Escape with 10,000 kms. I have had a handful of them over the past years that have come in on a tow-truck completely blown up where I don't even know what happened (suspect the center support might have puked out a snap-ring). Some of these were cases where families were travelling at highway speeds and they heard a bang and all 4 wheels locked up as their vehicles skidded to a stop because the shrapnel jams the differential and none of the wheels can turn. They come in with fist sized holes in the case and nothing but shrapnel....some of them have been blown up to the point that the even the PTU requires replacement because of the extensive damage. There are also handfuls of TSBs released over the years to correct quirky shifting with them too.

Ford makes some great vehicles but there are some turds that can never be polished into diamonds.
03-30-2014 02:00 PM
bshin352 6F35's have issues too? How so?
03-30-2014 12:46 PM
Rat Fink Doubt it would physically fit, and electronically it would be impossible. Plus, you are considering using a transmission that is easily Fords 2nd worst transmission currently in use (only 2nd to the DCT). The 6F35 trans is a joint GM/Ford venture.....and quite frankly is pure garbage.

If you are really set on wanting to swap out the DCT, then get another car. It is your best (and sadly your cheapest) option. Whatever vehicle you decide to get, I would not move to a vehicle that has a 6F35 because all you would be doing is moving from one heap to the next.
03-29-2014 05:05 AM
mr_cassandra
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You make a very good point I hadn't considered. If the new transmission doesn't cooperate or just changes the car's drivability I'd be out a larger sum of cash.

I guess now I'm leaning towards taking that $5,000+ hit and getting rid of the car.
because of the same problems you have detailed, I traded several months ago for a 2013 mazda-3. it takes a few weeks to get used to something which just works well and you will actually detect yourself subconsciously cringing before each shift until you re-adjust to a car that works normally.

Its all a matter of what is important to you, peace of mind or telling yourself that all these quirks are normal and you should get used to it.
03-29-2014 04:44 AM
Seminoles
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Originally Posted by bshin352 View Post
do the bellhousing bolts even line up? let alone tcm being able to work with the ecu?


these new cars are nothing like the old ones where you could swap a manual in place of an automatic.
You could put a focus manual in place of the automatic same as the old days just seal up the transmission control module plug from water entering it you might get a check engine light but could be turned off from a tuning point sense Ford would not turn off the automatic transmission inputs on the ECU they wont even fix there car (it's normal) if i only had money for every time I heard that I would have an ST...LOL
03-28-2014 03:53 PM
pintoman Sorry to hear of your frustration....sounds like your dealer isn't very supportive...my DCT is just fine...have you had the latest TBS done to it yet....
TSB 13-04-05 2011 2013 Fiesta, 2012 2013 Focus Intermittent Transmission Clutch Shudder DPS6
Automatic Transmission
Some 2011 2013 Fiesta and 2012 2013 Focus vehicles equipped with a DPS6 automatic transmission may exhibit an intermittent transmission clutch shudder on light acceleration from a stop. Follow the Service Procedure steps in this TSB to correct the concern by reprogramming the powertrain control module (PCM)/\transmission control module (TCM) module to the latest calibration using IDS release 84.01 or higher
BCM 5614 2012 2013 Focus Air Conditioning (AC) Inoperative With Seized Compressor
Some 2012 2013 Focus vehicles equipped with a 2.0L GDI engine, built on or before 11/21/2012 may exhibit a lack of air conditioning due to a seized A/C compressor. This typically occurs after the vehicle has sat for an extended period of time in high ambient temperatures without an engine start. A new A/C compressor BV6N-19D629-BF (Engineering Level), service part number BV6Z-19703-B has been released for service to address this concern
BCM 5568 2011 2013 Fiesta, 2012 2013 Focus Clutch Shudder On Acceleration From A Stop
Some 2011 2013 Fiesta, 2012 2013 Focus vehicles equipped with a DPS6 automatic transmission may exhibit a clutch shudder on acceleration from a stop with no evidence of a transmission fluid or engine oil leak in the clutch housing area. Using IDS, perform the clutch adaptive learning routine before replacement of any transmission components. Select Toolbox, Powertrain, Transmission, TCM Adaptive Learning, Clutch and Shift Drum routines. When complete, perform the Drive Cycle procedure. Refer to Workshop Manual, Section 307-11 Focus or 307-01(Fiesta). Ensure PCM calibration is the latest level. If necessary, refer to any applicable TSB and/ or service labor time standard
03-27-2014 05:11 PM
darkangelism
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Originally Posted by VonKaiser View Post
You make a very good point I hadn't considered. If the new transmission doesn't cooperate or just changes the car's drivability I'd be out a larger sum of cash.

I guess now I'm leaning towards taking that $5,000+ hit and getting rid of the car.
The only other option I could think of is replacing the transmission and DCT parts.
03-27-2014 09:15 AM
bshin352 do the bellhousing bolts even line up? let alone tcm being able to work with the ecu?


these new cars are nothing like the old ones where you could swap a manual in place of an automatic.
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