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04-17-2005 02:51 AM
Dr_Watson umm... sorta off-topic; sorta on-topic.

strickly speaking physics here, isn't the hp the engine produces a product of its torque?
like, you can draw the torque curve of the car and using a bit of math extrapolate the hp from the torque, since hp is a function of torque f(tq) = hp... right?

so, in the "big picture" isn't it more valuable to maximize torque, since the hp will be there anyway?

(i'm not exactly an automotive engineer or anything here , just an honest question)
04-17-2005 02:11 AM
Scandelous
Quote:
Originally posted by 2004SVTAutoXer
SVT Stage 1 Turbo Kit:

Overview:
This STG1 FocusPower Turbo kit was designed as a entry level into the world of Forced Induction for the Zetec , It is a NON Intercooled kit capable of 10psi MAX and tuning is not included but is a must!

Components:
Custom T3 Turbocharger by Turbonetics
Stainless Steel Turbo Manifold
Wastegate (Turbonetics DeltaGate II)
2 1/2" Down-Pipe for Turbo
1 7/8" Down-Pipe for Wastegate
Oil Feed and Return Lines
Oil Pan w/Welded Return Bung
Clamps
Gaskets
Piping:
Turbo -> Throttle Body
Turbo -> Air Filter
Hoses 4Ply Silicone (cut to size)
Fittings
Flanges

Pricing:
SVT: $2995
so what apparently you missed that kit for the SVTF that pushes 200/200 to the wheels with a VERY conservative tune (those are the minimum numbers tom will guarantee with warranty on his car kit and a completely stock engine)

my point is for the cost of a JRSC it's a foolish move now that there are quality stage 1 kits available for ~3650 installed and dyno tuned.




Your concern is irrelevant since the baseline mechanics of it's output just are not there. That supercharger is not capable of putting out the kind of torque required for a FWD vehicle to beat a C5 vette, that's why I told him to be realistic.




Which would explain why I previously stated that he would have no problem putting down stock GTs with ease and never doubted him on that, but that with a JRSC it just wasn't possible to reach a 345/350 C5 vette.


Considering that JSSVT04 has 220whp for the same price with the JRSC, how is 3650 a good deal? We live in FL and it is not cost effective to tow a car 800 miles to have a turbo kit installed and tuned in NC. Not to mention taking the time off work to do it. Not nut swinging but 200whp, a gain of 50 whp is not worth $4000.

By the way:
This STG1 FocusPower Turbo kit was designed as a entry level into the world of Forced Induction for the Zetec , It is a NON Intercooled kit capable of 10psi MAX and tuning is not included but is a must!


Look at the pics posted on his site for the stage 1 kit. They are of the Zetec, not SVT.
04-17-2005 12:20 AM
2004SVTAutoXer
Quote:
Originally posted by Scandelous
Hello Tooth Fairy

That is very true. But considering that he has a good weight advantage over a GT it shouldn't really matter.
read before you write again soon
04-17-2005 12:18 AM
2004SVTAutoXer
Quote:
Originally posted by Scandelous
Where are you seeing that Tom's kits are a few hundred more more than the JRSC? Tom advertises his kits at $5800 + install and tuning on his website.



SVT Stage 1 Turbo Kit:

Overview:
This STG1 FocusPower Turbo kit was designed as a entry level into the world of Forced Induction for the Zetec , It is a NON Intercooled kit capable of 10psi MAX and tuning is not included but is a must!

Components:
Custom T3 Turbocharger by Turbonetics
Stainless Steel Turbo Manifold
Wastegate (Turbonetics DeltaGate II)
2 1/2" Down-Pipe for Turbo
1 7/8" Down-Pipe for Wastegate
Oil Feed and Return Lines
Oil Pan w/Welded Return Bung
Clamps
Gaskets
Piping:
Turbo -> Throttle Body
Turbo -> Air Filter
Hoses 4Ply Silicone (cut to size)
Fittings
Flanges

Pricing:
SVT: $2995
so what apparently you missed that kit for the SVTF that pushes 200/200 to the wheels with a VERY conservative tune (those are the minimum numbers tom will guarantee with warranty on his car kit and a completely stock engine)

my point is for the cost of a JRSC it's a foolish move now that there are quality stage 1 kits available for ~3650 installed and dyno tuned.



Quote:
As far as I'm conserned no one has even pushed the limit of the JRSC on the SVT motor yet. Everyone is always so quick to knock it saying that it produces little power gains. That is not the case here. JSSVT04 is putting down 220whp on the JRSC right now with just bolt-ons and a conservative tune. I would like to think that the SVT has much more potential than that and he'll show it in the next few months so keep an eye out.
Your concern is irrelevant since the baseline mechanics of it's output just are not there. That supercharger is not capable of putting out the kind of torque required for a FWD vehicle to beat a C5 vette, that's why I told him to be realistic.


Quote:
I am not here to argue but simply put there is no comparison between 99-04 GT's and a JRSC SVTF. GT's are luck to put down 230 whp stock and weigh almost 600 lbs. more. C5's on the other hand is a different story.
Which would explain why I previously stated that he would have no problem putting down stock GTs with ease and never doubted him on that, but that with a JRSC it just wasn't possible to reach a 345/350 C5 vette.
04-15-2005 10:11 PM
Scandelous
Quote:
Originally posted by popecruz
RWD and Gearing. If horsepower determines who goes faster, than im the tooth fairy.
Hello Tooth Fairy

That is very true. But considering that he has a good weight advantage over a GT it shouldn't really matter.
04-15-2005 08:05 PM
popecruz RWD and Gearing. If horsepower determines who goes faster, than im the tooth fairy.
04-15-2005 03:18 PM
Scandelous
Quote:
Originally posted by 2004SVTAutoXer
uhhh, how much did you pay for your JRSC? Everywhere I look the cheapest for the SVT version was only 200 less than Tom's stage 1 kit, which puts down the more hp to the wheels and a ton more tq . . . and for a couple bucks more you start getting close to 300.

What exactly does your JRSC do that other's dont which allows it to push past the said limits of the rig that keep the price so low in the first place?

edit: and you're never going to beat vet's with anything less than a vortech SC, JRSC just isn't capable of doing that.
Where are you seeing that Tom's kits are a few hundred more more than the JRSC? Tom advertises his kits at $5800 + install and tuning on his website.

As far as I'm conserned no one has even pushed the limit of the JRSC on the SVT motor yet. Everyone is always so quick to knock it saying that it produces little power gains. That is not the case here. JSSVT04 is putting down 220whp on the JRSC right now with just bolt-ons and a conservative tune. I would like to think that the SVT has much more potential than that and he'll show it in the next few months so keep an eye out.

I am not here to argue but simply put there is no comparison between 99-04 GT's and a JRSC SVTF. GT's are luck to put down 230 whp stock and weigh almost 600 lbs. more. C5's on the other hand is a different story.
04-15-2005 01:45 PM
popecruz The difference between an SN95 and 99-01 cobra isn't that great from the 99-04 GT. Unless its an 03-04 Cobra, stock for stock a GT and a cobra is a really close race.
04-15-2005 12:14 PM
JSSVT04
Quote:
Originally posted by 2004SVTAutoXer
uhhh, most v-8 stangs would be eaten alive by what he has now with the exception of cobras, pretty heavily modded, and the new 05 models.

they might get a jump but the second he hit 5500 in second they would be about 1 carlength behind
thanks, i not going 2 corba's, that no way.

i tried one, but it was stupid how fast those are. but i got 2 school in like 20 instead of 35mins
04-15-2005 08:23 AM
2004SVTAutoXer uhhh, most v-8 stangs would be eaten alive by what he has now with the exception of cobras, pretty heavily modded, and the new 05 models.

they might get a jump but the second he hit 5500 in second they would be about 1 carlength behind
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