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12-08-2013 06:21 PM
sailor Moog started as a side business for Moog Aerospace, basically the owner liked playing with bikes, cars etc., and thought there was room in the market for some quality parts.

Got sold off long ago, lost track of the current corporate ownership - you never know how long they'll stick with the Original philosophy that got them going.
12-08-2013 05:02 PM
syncro87 Agreed. Brand name means little anymore in many cases. You're right about appliances as well, from what I can tell. I bought refrigerator not too long ago. I went to a huge store we have here called Nebraska Furniture Mart that carries a bazillion appliance lines. You can buy a fridge there from $750 to $7,500. I managed to snag a fairly straight up sales guy, miraculously. Anyway, we were talking about quality vs price. I told him I didn't mind paying for higher quality. His response was that in his experience, price had little to nothing to do with how long the fridge would last or how few repairs you'd have. It's all junk to a large extent, he said. I had to laugh. He told me they see as many problems or returns on the cheap or expensive units, no difference. His advice was to buy a fairly inexpensive model because they'd all last about 10 years before they died or became uneconomical to repair. Probably true. So I bought the $900 fridge, not the fancy $2000+ unit. They both keep food cold the same and like he said will probably die around the same time. I actually got a GE made in the USA, which was a surprise to me that you could still get a decent US made unit.

So far, I've noticed that Moog suspension parts still seem to be high quality. Who knows how long that will last, though.
12-08-2013 11:53 AM
my_beautious_ZX3
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Originally Posted by syncro87 View Post
Not to be Debbie Downer, but I've used the Monroe Quick units and hated them...I also like OEM strut mounts and bearings vs. either KYB or Monroe, both of which are IMHO inferior...Nothing worse than doing a strut job then getting a clunk in your front end months later due to a cheap failed strut mount or bearing...My factory springs were totally fine, so I didn't change them out.
fair enough. I've used Monroe/Gabriel parts since the '80s, but with all of the corporate mergers and offshoring to China, all of the old reliable US brands are crapshoots nowadays. Home appliances have also fallen into that hole.

I only recommend Monroe to folks on the forum who are looking for an OEM ride; a 10-year old Ford doesn't need any help in going harsher! And I recommend the QuickStruts to anyone with a 10+ year old Focus because of the known recall issue with the factory coil springs collapsing.
12-08-2013 08:32 AM
PWGuy Thanks everyone - I've actually found some great prices on OEM stuff and am going full OEM.
12-08-2013 03:54 AM
syncro87
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Originally Posted by my_beautious_ZX3 View Post
in that case, the Monroe "QuickStrut" will retain your OEM feel.

Not to be Debbie Downer, but I've used the Monroe Quick units and hated them. I had them on my old Escort wagon. The ride height was never right again and the springs were a different rate than OE. Would not buy them again. Actually, if you gave them to me free I wouldn't put them on my Focus. Sure, they are convenient, but I'd rather do a little more work and get better parts.

Personally, I think the quality of KYB is much better vs. Monroe. I also like OEM strut mounts and bearings vs. either KYB or Monroe, both of which are IMHO inferior. If you are going to go aftermarket, go Moog on strut mounts. I have not heard good things about the KYB mounts, so I avoid the complete assemblies. Nothing worse than doing a strut job then getting a clunk in your front end months later due to a cheap failed strut mount or bearing. Strut mounts are like engine mounts. Better to pay a little more for better quality up front and do the job once.

So, my recommendation would be to use KYB GR2 / Excel Struts and shocks if you want to maintain close to OE ride quality. They will start out a little stiff but will soften up a little. Use OEM or Moog strut mounts. OEM strut bearings. Obviously, if you wanted to step it up a notch you could run KYB AGX adjustable or Bilsteins or Koni but I don't think that is what you are looking for and it would be a waste of money for you.

My second choice if convenience ruled over all other factors would be to get the KYB complete quick units if they make them for your application. KYB has an application cross reference catalog on their website I believe.

Amazon had the best price when I recently did my struts and shocks on my 01 Wagon, but things change from day to day so your mileage may vary. My factory springs were totally fine, so I didn't change them out.


Just my 2c based on having done 6 or 8 strut jobs in the past.
12-07-2013 02:07 PM
my_beautious_ZX3 in that case, the Monroe "QuickStrut" will retain your OEM feel. Shop around for sales at the major chains; I bought a pair here in northern Illinois for around $250 a couple of years ago. (All of the stores emailed discount coupons around Thanksgiving; they'll probably do it again around Xmas & New Years if you wanna wait that long.)

P.S. alot of us with old rustbelt Focii had trouble removing one/both struts from the steering knuckle. Soak that baby in penetrating oil (as well as the pinch bolt) for a couple of days prior to doing the job (being careful, of course, to keep overspray off of all brake parts).
12-07-2013 08:53 AM
PWGuy 'eh, I honestly don't want ANY stiffer.
12-07-2013 03:23 AM
sailor Did the same "mod" as mainest did, very happy with the results.

Kit with complete front struts, rear springs & shocks was my choice. A bit lower & stiffer, handles better, still quite comfortable. At the time I did it, I compared the ride to the Wife's Stock '08 Civic - Focus still felt better over sharp bumps even when lower/stiffer than stock.
12-04-2013 10:08 AM
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12-04-2013 09:40 AM
mainest
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Originally Posted by rambleon84 View Post
You only need to replace the springs if they are no longer solid, they will not wear out like a shock/strut does. I'm on my third set of springs and the first two only had what I would call cosmetic issues

Although, as highball suggested, replacing the fronts as complete assemblies would save you time on installation and you wont have to deal with a spring compressor there.
And...you can get a complete, bolt on, SVT suspension, with the aforementioned strut assemblies, for less than $300. Matched springs and dampers are the best way to go, and you will love the improved handling. I had the SVT suspension on my '05 ZX4 (ST) and thought it the best mod for a daily driver
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