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10-21-2014 12:57 AM
HopnDude
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Originally Posted by TCOC rel1 View Post
So the FRPP M-14204-FST calibration and colder plugs will not void the warranty?
IF!......IF you have a certified/authorized dealer install it, no it will not void the warranty.
10-20-2014 10:01 PM
TCOC rel1 So the FRPP M-14204-FST calibration and colder plugs will not void the warranty?
09-30-2014 10:08 PM
HopnDude
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Originally Posted by okaythen View Post
254tq? I think it's more than 350 tq.

what do you mean warranty info have been changed?
Sorry about that!
248whp / 354wtq

Didn't notice that.
09-30-2014 08:31 PM
suss6052
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Originally Posted by okaythen View Post
254tq? I think it's more than 350 tq.

what do you mean warranty info have been changed?
It hasn't really changed (the terms and conditions are the same), but now that Mountune USA has come to an agreement with Ford Racing if you have Mountune parts installed by Mountune and registered with Ford Racing, or installed from your Ford Dealer the FRPP warranty is in effect for the MP275 kit components (intercooler, intake, and calibration), but not the downpipe or MR300 calibration.
09-30-2014 07:23 PM
okaythen 254tq? I think it's more than 350 tq.

what do you mean warranty info have been changed?
09-30-2014 02:26 PM
HopnDude Let me get out my shovel here......

Any way, so I finally got to see a dyno with the FRPP tune, not to mention someone posted one a few pages back (on this thread).

The one I seen was on 92 oct, ProCal/Plugs/Snorkel/Filter and was 248whp and 254wtq on a Mustang Dyno. So very close on the numbers with both!

As for warranty information, it has been changed along with Mountune parts now on the list.
02-24-2014 11:32 PM
suss6052
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Originally Posted by HopnDude View Post
Then why would Ford or a Ford/Lincoln authorized dealer state that they would need to do the install to keep the warranty?! Why not any ASE Joe down the street?!



v You might want to re-read what I typed. v



I never said anything about swapping it back to the factory hardware for service work. My woman would not allow me to do shady stuff of that nature, and I'm not looking to get into any legal trouble.

Another question for you, since you seem so enthused and knowledgeable about this warranty information over a dealership. Why would Ford still do the 3 year 36K mile warranty (being the most crucial) and nothing beyond that?! If you own one (Focus ST) and purchased yours brand new (like I did) then you know what all is covered under the 3 different sections. 3 year / 5 year / 7 year. Why would they void everything after the 3 years?! If it's going to handle for the 3 years, then why would it not take it after that?! They will KNOW if you modify anything else; ECM logs, tool marks from changing parts, etc. They will know if you're hiding something.

I will probably do one thing that the dealer will NOT like. I'm putting a oil catch can on it. Not cutting that factory hose (it'll sit pretty in the glove box - not that it makes a difference) as I'll get all new hose and make a pretty little mounting bracket and place it somewhere I can drain it at easily and often. If they can find some reason that a oil catch can might ruin my vehicle, then by all means I'd like them to show me.
You'd have to swap the intercooler back to stock in order to install the stock grille shutter system as all of the available kits require the removal of said system.

You have to have it installed by the Ford dealership to properly activate the FRPP warranty in Oasis and initiate the transfer of the powertrain warranty from Ford to Ford Racing.

It can't be installed by joe blow and keep any warranty coverage intact as it would be the same as any other aftermarket performance modification which has the risk of damaging the power train as far as Ford is concerned. Especially if it wasn't installed and registered by a Ford Dealership.

The specific coverage provided by Ford Racing is quite limited in comparison to the power train and bumper to bumper warranty.

Look I'm not telling you not to buy it but if you read the specifics and have any actual mechanical issue with the power train after the initial period of time you may be in for a fight as your Ford dealer will likely put the blame on the tune, and FRPP will say they are not responsible at that point. You will likely never need the protection of the warranty, but if you do value the complete 5 year/60 k mile power train coverage or any extended service plan you'd be better off not modifying the car in this manner.

I don't get why you're so insistent that your dealer knows best when clearly they pointed to the exact same legal document which states the low limits of coverage under the FRPP warranty.

Ford Racing total aggregated liability per qualified vehicle under this LimitedWarranty is $8,000: Each covered component has its own aggregate value, which when combined shall not exceed $8,000 in total parts repairs, except in the Province of Quebec, where the cost of parts and labor are covered. The maximum liability for failed parts by component category under this Limited Warranty is as follows: engine assembly parts $5,000, transmission assembly $1,500, and rear axle assembly $1,500. Under this Limited Warranty, Ford Racing retains the right to replace any failed components with remanufactured parts for the life of the warranty.


I'm not even the first to point this out, but I guess you and your lawyer girlfriend know better than Ford's lawyers.

http://www.mustangevolution.com/foru...4/#post1685066 Others have mentioned this also.

http://mustangforums.com/forum/5-0l-...-warranty.html
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...-warranty.html

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This is the exact reason, why I decided not to go with the Track Key activation.

Ford does make you sign an agreement, for the change in Warranty.

NO Track Key = Ford Powertrain Warranty - 5 Year or 60k Miles

Track Key Active = Ford Racing Powertrain Warranty - 3 year or 36K Miles.
Just to keep playing devil's advocate, I think the fact that you even get any warranty coverage at all from Ford or Ford Racing for their power packs says a lot about how much they stand behind their work, but at the same time I cannot justify throwing away the 7/100k premium care ESP for the thrill of 90 lb-ft more torque and up to 40 more hp under the curve as it would be quite probable that Ford would deny a warranty claim for a failed engine due to the aftermarket tune as it can be demonstrated that it was the cause of the problem, or at least strongly suggested.
02-24-2014 11:07 PM
HopnDude
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Originally Posted by suss6052 View Post
The problem is the tune and spark plugs alone are enough to void the factory warranty on the power train (engine and transmission) should you have an issue related to the increase in torque after the 3 year/ 36k FRPP warranty.

It gets very murky after the 3/36 k point should you have an issue with said components, and this doesn't clarify anything.
Then why would Ford or a Ford/Lincoln authorized dealer state that they would need to do the install to keep the warranty?! Why not any ASE Joe down the street?!

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Originally Posted by suss6052 View Post
Oh and also since you're quoting a third party rather than FRPP themselves that doesn't mean much to me, as Ford Racing Parts Direct.com is a vendor trying to sell parts, not an official part of Ford Racing. They are also advocating warranty fraud by telling you to take off the aftermarket intercooler in the case of a mechanical problem with the car.

First of all an intercooler isn't likely to cause any problems, but even if it did removing it just to try and sneak the car through for warranty service is nor recommended nor wise.
v You might want to re-read what I typed. v

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Originally Posted by HopnDude View Post
So there you go, mystery solved. The factory warranty is STILL in full effect. Just use 91 or better octane fuel (Shell / Mobile-Exxon / BP are the best ones) and you're okay. I also asked about a better intercooler, and so long as the installation is flawless (nothing is butchered and looks like a drunken child installed it), all factory parts are installed back on the vehicle (active shutter system, clamps, bolts, panels, brackets, etc) it would make it hard for them to dispute that it caused any harm to any components. They would document it (on the VIN and vehicle history), yet the fact that all factory components are still there (active shutter system, clamps, bolts, panels, brackets, etc), and it's helping with air intake temps, it's hard for them to dispute that it would harm anything (words from the service manager at said dealership).
I never said anything about swapping it back to the factory hardware for service work. My woman would not allow me to do shady stuff of that nature, and I'm not looking to get into any legal trouble.

Another question for you, since you seem so enthused and knowledgeable about this warranty information over a dealership. Why would Ford still do the 3 year 36K mile warranty (being the most crucial) and nothing beyond that?! If you own one (Focus ST) and purchased yours brand new (like I did) then you know what all is covered under the 3 different sections. 3 year / 5 year / 7 year. Why would they void everything after the 3 years?! If it's going to handle for the 3 years, then why would it not take it after that?! They will KNOW if you modify anything else; ECM logs, tool marks from changing parts, etc. They will know if you're hiding something.

I will probably do one thing that the dealer will NOT like. I'm putting a oil catch can on it. Not cutting that factory hose (it'll sit pretty in the glove box - not that it makes a difference) as I'll get all new hose and make a pretty little mounting bracket and place it somewhere I can drain it at easily and often. If they can find some reason that a oil catch can might ruin my vehicle, then by all means I'd like them to show me.
02-24-2014 08:34 PM
suss6052
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Originally Posted by HopnDude View Post

Below is an email I received from one of the authorized Ford Racing Parts dealers.

I also ordered the kit, and am waiting for it to arrive as to have it installed. I have 3 weeks before leaving for RCU, then MOB, then the Sand Box. So I'm trying to get this done ASAP!



Ford Racing Parts Direct.com

Feb 20 (4 days ago)

to me

Dear Scott,



The Factory warranty stays in effect for all repairs not caused by the parts you change. For any repairs caused by any of those parts you listed, Ford Racing and Ford have a 3 year/36K warranty.



Here are details from Ford regarding the Ford Racing parts warranty and how it interacts with your factory warranty and those parts: http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com...20Warranty.pdf



Unlike other distributors, we have these Focus ST parts in stock and ready to ship.



Very Respectfully,

Customer Service

Autocars/Speedshop Direct

Award Winning Top 10 Featured Ford Racing Warehouse Distributor

Phone: (805) 466-4040

Fax: (805) 466-4090



Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential or proprietary information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, immediately contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.


My lovely gf happens to be a lawyer, whom I had read over the document. She asked a few questions (she's not as car literate as I am) and looked at the factory warranty information as well spoke with a family friend (Dave Sincliar) who owns a Ford Dealership. So long as only Ford Authorized parts are used on the vehicle from a Ford Authorized Dealer, and installed by a Ford or Lincoln dealer that documents the work. Then the factory warranty is STILL in effect! The girlfriend would not let me order if unless it met two criteria. 1) It didn't make it loud and noisy 2) It didn't void the warranty.

So there you go, mystery solved. The factory warranty is STILL in full effect. Just use 91 or better octane fuel (Shell / Mobile-Exxon / BP are the best ones) and you're okay. I also asked about a better intercooler, and so long as the installation is flawless, all factory parts are installed back on the vehicle it would make it hard for them to dispute that it caused any harm to any components. They would document it, yet the fact that all factory components are still there, and it's helping with air intake temps, it's hard for them to dispute that it would harm anything (words from the service manager at said dealership).
The problem is the tune and spark plugs alone are enough to void the factory warranty on the power train (engine and transmission) should you have an issue related to the increase in torque after the 3 year/ 36k FRPP warranty.

It gets very murky after the 3/36 k point should you have an issue with said components, and this doesn't clarify anything.

It's clear that if the problem is not caused by the tune it's covered by the factory warranty, but anything done to the power train is subject to the $8000 limit for total coverage by FRPP as provided in the linked document.

So you'd better hope that they know what they are doing.

Basically they cranked up the boost / raised the torque limit and combated the heat by lowering the heat storage capacity of the spark plugs by dropping it down two heat ranges over the stock plugs.

Oh and also since you're quoting a third party rather than FRPP themselves that doesn't mean much to me, as Ford Racing Parts Direct.com is a vendor trying to sell parts, not an official part of Ford Racing. They are also advocating warranty fraud by telling you to take off the aftermarket intercooler in the case of a mechanical problem with the car.

First of all an intercooler isn't likely to cause any problems, but even if it did removing it just to try and sneak the car through for warranty service is nor recommended nor wise.
02-24-2014 12:34 PM
HopnDude
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Originally Posted by suss6052 View Post
No, this is the specific text about the warranty coverage limits for any FRPP products covered under the limited warranty. It's explicitly stated in the catalog, however it's hidden from the old 2012 warranty guides.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/downl...PP_Catalog.pdf

The coverage is 3 years and 36 k miles, but subject to the monetary limits stated in the catalog of $8000 total.

It does not state that it is limited to the superchargers only as you claim their separate pages on the old catalog indicate.

The 2014 catalog makes it clear to me and others on the Focus ST forums that this is not the case.

The monetary damage limits apply to all the FRPP parts subject to the limited warranty provided by Ford Racing.



It would suck to blow up your engine thanks to FRPP and have it not covered as the long block is over $6000. $6732.71 at retail for the complete engine assembly.

Below is an email I received from one of the authorized Ford Racing Parts dealers.

I also ordered the kit, and am waiting for it to arrive as to have it installed. I have 3 weeks before leaving for RCU, then MOB, then the Sand Box. So I'm trying to get this done ASAP!



Ford Racing Parts Direct.com

Feb 20 (4 days ago)

to me

Dear Scott,



The Factory warranty stays in effect for all repairs not caused by the parts you change. For any repairs caused by any of those parts you listed, Ford Racing and Ford have a 3 year/36K warranty.



Here are details from Ford regarding the Ford Racing parts warranty and how it interacts with your factory warranty and those parts: http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com...20Warranty.pdf



Unlike other distributors, we have these Focus ST parts in stock and ready to ship.



Very Respectfully,

Customer Service

Autocars/Speedshop Direct

Award Winning Top 10 Featured Ford Racing Warehouse Distributor

Phone: (805) 466-4040

Fax: (805) 466-4090



Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential or proprietary information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, immediately contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.


My lovely gf happens to be a lawyer, whom I had read over the document. She asked a few questions (she's not as car literate as I am) and looked at the factory warranty information as well spoke with a family friend (Dave Sincliar) who owns a Ford Dealership. So long as only Ford Authorized parts are used on the vehicle from a Ford Authorized Dealer, and installed by a Ford or Lincoln dealer that documents the work. Then the factory warranty is STILL in effect! The girlfriend would not let me order if unless it met two criteria. 1) It didn't make it loud and noisy 2) It didn't void the warranty.

So there you go, mystery solved. The factory warranty is STILL in full effect. Just use 91 or better octane fuel (Shell / Mobile-Exxon / BP are the best ones) and you're okay. I also asked about a better intercooler, and so long as the installation is flawless, all factory parts are installed back on the vehicle it would make it hard for them to dispute that it caused any harm to any components. They would document it, yet the fact that all factory components are still there, and it's helping with air intake temps, it's hard for them to dispute that it would harm anything (words from the service manager at said dealership).
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