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07-18-2013 09:18 PM
Juicedz
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Originally Posted by dan50 View Post
Thanks for editing out the rather insulting last sentence of your original post.

Speaking from experience, if your life works out the way you want you will look back and conclude that one of the reasons this happened is because you chose to do what was right rather than simply what you could get away with. This isn't a bad place to start. Enough said.
I guess you've never heard the age old question, "why do bad things happen to good people". I'm not saying people should go around robbing the system, on the contrary actually. We have enough of that going on in today's society to completely destroy it (which we're already starting to see). However, what Ford is doing in many cases is shameful. Why is it that they can install the same Steeda intake for you from the dealership for a $1,000 and offer a full warranty but yet if they see you installed one they'll void it the first chance they can. Not that they've done it BUT you better believe no one will give them the time of day to.
07-18-2013 08:58 PM
dan50
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Originally Posted by Juicedz View Post
As was previously stated in this thread, "Many dealers are just itching for a reason to deny warranty work in favor of customer paid work".
Thanks for editing out the rather insulting last sentence of your original post.

Speaking from experience, if your life works out the way you want you will look back and conclude that one of the reasons this happened is because you chose to do what was right rather than simply what you could get away with. This isn't a bad place to start. Enough said.
07-18-2013 10:46 AM
Juicedz As was previously stated in this thread, "Many dealers are just itching for a reason to deny warranty work in favor of customer paid work".
07-18-2013 09:32 AM
dan50
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I wasn't aware that this forum was filled with Fun Police I highly doubt Injected's sole purpose was to include that feature to avoid warranty issues. We ALL know how Ford is with their coverage as it is. So, it's nice to have the piece of mind knowing they're not going to try and bend you over for having a cai or tune on your car. So glad you stand behind Fords warranty like they've stood behind all of the DCT/MFT/suspension clunk owners. I think there's a HUGE difference between someone who beats the piss out of their car every chance they get, installs every mod possible, blows the engine up (after leaving an 02 sensor unplugged!), and takes everything off to get a new motor under warranty vs. someone who daily drives their vehicle, has a intake/tune, and takes minor mods off to have general warranty work done. For most Foci owners 99% of the warranty work has no correlation with the parts that were added.
Ford can't deny a warranty claim because of mods if the mod had nothing to do with the failure. So if this is as harmless as you claim, why not just leave the mods on when you bring it in for warranty work? Seems easy enough.
07-17-2013 10:01 PM
Juicedz I wasn't aware that this forum was filled with Fun Police I highly doubt Injected's sole purpose was to include that feature to avoid warranty issues. We ALL know how Ford is with their coverage as it is. So, it's nice to have the piece of mind knowing they're not going to try and bend you over for having a cai or tune on your car. So glad you stand behind Fords warranty like they've stood behind all of the DCT/MFT/suspension clunk owners. I think there's a HUGE difference between someone who beats the piss out of their car every chance they get, installs every mod possible, blows the engine up (after leaving an 02 sensor unplugged!), and takes everything off to get a new motor under warranty vs. someone who daily drives their vehicle, has a intake/tune, and takes minor mods off to have general warranty work done. For most Foci owners 99% of the warranty work has no correlation with the parts that were added.
07-17-2013 09:26 PM
dan50
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Originally Posted by Juicedz View Post
Which is why injected offers the possibility to remove the tune completely to bring it in for warranty work
There has been a long discussion in is forum today about a poster who seems to have modded his car, beat the heck out of it, destroyed the engine, took all the mods off and got Ford to warranty the engine replacement. General consensus was shame on the OP.

This is even worse, knowing in advance that what you are doing could create problems and crater the warranty but having a plan, with the connivance of the reflash software maker to basically defraud Ford. This just makes it more difficult for those of us with legitimate warranty claims to deal with the manufacturer.

This is a bad practice and a particularly reprehensible one for the software maker involved. They should be avoided like the plague: if problems develop why would you think they'd be any more ethical dealing with you than they are with Ford?
07-17-2013 07:33 PM
suss6052
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Originally Posted by Juicedz View Post
I highly doubt dealers are going to be taking every car through this TSA type screening you speak of. Seems more plausible this would be the avenue for cars coming in with blown motors/transmissions.
Many dealers are just itching for a reason to deny warranty work in favor of customer paid work, so I wouldn't put it past a lot of them to try it. For little things like the radio not working they probably wouldn't probe the car's computer that closely, but yes if you have a drivability concern such as those who complained about issues with the DCT but have tuned the car and reflashed it, you can bet they will look closer at it if they catch wind that tuning has been available for this platform as well. Before it was safer since there was no tuning available.

Not saying don't tune, just to be aware of the risks, and that Ford does have ways of telling if the car's been tuned and reflashed to stock if the dealer gets a hint of it they were supposed to send the data to Ford for them to review.
07-17-2013 07:28 PM
Juicedz I highly doubt dealers are going to be taking every car through this TSA type screening you speak of. Seems more plausible this would be the avenue for cars coming in with blown motors/transmissions.
07-17-2013 07:17 PM
suss6052
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Which is why injected offers the possibility to remove the tune completely to bring it in for warranty work
You do realize that Ford's been getting wise to this and can implement ways of checking to see if the computer's ever been flashed and compare it against the service history database, so unless you can some how mask that it still leaves the tell tale red flags in the system.

Ford has to step up their inspections, especially after people were taking their Mustangs, Ecoboost Flex/Taurus/ MKS/ etc, tuning them up to 11, breaking them, then trying to mask the fact that it was tune related.

http://www.fordtechservice.dealercon...A&tsb=10-02-06

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Some 2010 Taurus, Flex, MKS and MKT vehicles equipped with an EcoBoost engine may have unauthorized aftermarket modifications to the powertrain hardware and/or calibration which may result in exceeding component design limits. Such modifications could cause damage to the powertrain and/or void the factory powertrain warranty.

SERVICE PROCEDURE

Unauthorized calibration modifications may or may not be detectable using standard tools (Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS), Portable Diagnostic Software (PDS), NGS+ VCM). Changes can be made to the calibration and flashed to the PCM through the OBD port. Physical modifications to the hardware may or may not be present. If aftermarket power/torque-increasing modifications are suspected, care should be taken to record and store the following items: Permanent Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs), Pending DTCs, Freeze Frame Data, Mode 6 and Mode 9 data. The data should be printed and attached to the repair order for later reference.

The DTCs, freeze frame data, Mode 6 and 9 data can be obtained by using the IDS, PDS or NGS+VCM under tool box selection. The Powertrain tab will provide the OBD Test Modes tab and Mode 6 and 9 data selection after the vehicle has been identified.

Attempting to increase the engine output via recalibrating the PCM may result in poor drivability, DTCs, or component failures. A partial list of calibration induced component failures is given below:

Piston damage.
Spark over-advanced (knock-induced damage).
Insufficient enrichment.
Excessive Cylinder Pressure:

Turbocharger damage.
Over-Speed:

Catalyst damage.
Over-Temperature/Melting:

Transmission, PTU, Torque converter damage.
Hardware Modifications:

The following list contains items that are frequently modified in an effort to increase the engines torque/power output. Modifying these items may, or may not improve the performance, but can lead to drivability issues, DTCs and possibly component failures:

Air induction system (air box, low pressure and high pressure air ducts).
The system may be particularly susceptible to flexible air ducts between the air filter and the compressors. Restrictions on either side of the compressor can result in over-speeding the turbo (Figures 5-6).

Wastegate actuator pre-tension.
The full load output of some turbocharged engines will increase if the wastegate spring pre-tension is increased. This is not the case with the EcoBoost engine. Adjusting the wastegate pre-tension out of the specified range can result in DTCs. A tamper evident paint dot has been applied to the wastegate actuator adjustment mechanism to make modifications more apparent.

Throttle inlet and intake manifold pressure sensors.
These sensors and the associated wiring should be inspected to verify they have not been modified.

Additional fuel injection devices.
The high pressure fuel system used for the EcoBoost engine will not support additional fuel flow beyond what the factory calibration requests. Inspect the engine for an additional aftermarket injector(s) located somewhere in the induction system to provided increased fuel flow.

PCV system modifications.
If the PCV system is modified (vented to atmosphere being the most common modification) it can result in a condition where oil gets past the turbine seal even on an undamaged, fully functional turbocharger. Oil in the exhaust system may not be sufficient evidence to identify a failed turbo if the PCV system has been compromised.

Compressor bypass modifications (a.k.a. blow-off valve, or anti-surge valve).
It is common to modify these components so they make more noise. If the aftermarket devices fail to seal properly when closed, elevated turbo speeds and compressor outlet temperatures will occur.

Exhaust air path/system.
Removal of catalysts or mufflers/resonators to reduce exhaust backpressure may result in over-speeding the turbo(s).

Thermostat modifications.
Blocking open the thermostat may reduce the coolant flow to the turbo chargers.

Wastegate Tamper Evident Paint Dot

Review Engine Damage:

Piston Damage

Top ring delaminating and top ring land pitting caused by excessive spark advance.


WARRANTY STATUS:

Information Only - Not Warrantable
07-17-2013 07:01 PM
Juicedz
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Originally Posted by dan50 View Post
Not to hijack this thread, but you may want to consider the warranty implications of messing with Ford's tuning before you do so. Can't imagine Ford would be very supportive.
Which is why injected offers the possibility to remove the tune completely to bring it in for warranty work
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