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06-21-2013 11:52 PM
iminhell
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Originally Posted by sailor View Post
NHTSA ID No.: 78V-143
Date of Company Notification: 6-15-78
Make: Ford
Model: Pinto
Model Year: 1971-76
Make: Mercury
Model: Bobcat
Model Year: 1975-76
Number of Vehicles: 1,400,000

My gripe of going back 20 years still stands.


But thanks for posting factual information.
06-21-2013 08:51 PM
azdamay
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Originally Posted by sailor View Post
Only "proof" handy is to suggest looking under some (grin).

Gas tanks were often inside the passenger compartment as recently as the '60's - location, strength, security have been improving bit by bit ever since.
Sort of on that subject, I've been paying attention to Jeeps since this issue came up, and those tanks are really close to the rear bumper. You don't even need to look under, you can see it in plain view. Maybe a trailer hitch isn't so bad.

I mentioned earlier, the 04-06 GTO had to move the tank from the behind-bumper location to inside the trunk, behind the rear seat, to meet US safety regulations. I forgot that the weirdest (but purportedly safest) was my old MR2, which had it nestled in the tunnel between the two seats. The center console was oddly high (that's my recollection of it anyway), because directly under it (well, under the sheet metal I should say) was the gas tank. The theory being it was in the center of the car and not vulnerable to any front, side, or rear impact, and it helped with weight distribution and so forth. Not really relevant to Jeeps, the topic just made me think of it.
06-21-2013 03:23 PM
sailor NHTSA ID No.: 78V-143
Date of Company Notification: 6-15-78
Make: Ford
Model: Pinto
Model Year: 1971-76
Make: Mercury
Model: Bobcat
Model Year: 1975-76
Number of Vehicles: 1,400,000
Mfg. Campaign No. 293. Fuel/tank. Fuel tanks and filler necks installed on these vehicles are subject to failure when vehicles are struck from rear. Such failure can result in fuel leakage, which in presence of external ignition sources can result in fire, and "based on our investigation, it has been initially determined that defect which relates to motor vehicle safety exists in these 1971-1976 Ford Pintos and 1975-1976 Mercury Bobcats (except station wagons)." Correct by replacing existing fuel filler pipe and seal with longer pipe and improved seal. Also, install polyethylene shield on front of fuel tank.


This was the first example of the "plastic shield" that I was thinking of I could find in a quick search. I've seen versions of this on Mustangs, including a complete plastic cover on the bottom of one I replaced (rusted) for someone.

Don't know if it actually was a recall for the Mustangs, today's research makes me think that might be an urban legend. The "fix" was phased into production of Mustangs, recall or not. Only "proof" handy is to suggest looking under some (grin).

Gas tanks were often inside the passenger compartment as recently as the '60's - location, strength, security have been improving bit by bit ever since.

I think at one time that was actually considered a "safe" location, protected from damage & rusting, with the thought that any incident that damaged one to the point of leakage wasn't likely survivable anyways. Thoughts on this have obviously changed...

Cheers!
06-21-2013 04:21 AM
Montag Chrysler was happy to take the bailout money. Now those need to shut up and do what they're told.
06-20-2013 10:14 PM
iminhell
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Originally Posted by CriticalMass View Post
Look above.

Stop drinking.
06-20-2013 08:20 AM
CriticalMass
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Originally Posted by iminhell View Post
Proof of this Mustang fix?
And I don't know of any MFG that has ever had to go back 20 years for a Gov't mandated recall. If you know of anything, provide proof.
That is the precedent I'm talking about (for the third time).
Look above.
06-20-2013 02:16 AM
TheGlassMaker Back in high school my drunk buddy and I was out tinkering with a ranger we was taring apart for parts. He took the metal gas tank which had maybe a gallon of gas it drug it across the yard then tossed it into a bonfire we had going. He then grabbed his 1911 and shot a bullet into it. As we all screamed and ran for cover, nothing happend.
06-20-2013 01:58 AM
azdamay What an odd solution to retrofit Jeeps with a trailer hitch. Hardly seems like effective protection for the gas tank... more like Chrysler figured the cheapest solution was to clear their unsold inventory of trailer hitches.
06-19-2013 08:25 PM
iminhell
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Originally Posted by CriticalMass View Post
This is done all the time. Cars are lasting longer and thus, stay on the road longer. Also, people find it cheaper to repair their vehicles rather than buy new all the time. My wife's aunt has a Jeep Grand Cherokee that falls into that range.

Chrysler is going to have to fix it or face the lawsuits and wrongful death suits that they will in no way win which is probably what they have been doing for years, figuring it is cheaper to settle out of court than it is to save people's lives. heh.

Ford had to do this for their Mustangs at one point. The tanks were situated in such a way that they were prone to leaking during an accident and they had to recall a bunch of model years to fix it. It was an expensive fix.

Proof of this Mustang fix?
And I don't know of any MFG that has ever had to go back 20 years for a Gov't mandated recall. If you know of anything, provide proof.
That is the precedent I'm talking about (for the third time).
06-19-2013 07:38 PM
sailor Mustang 'Fix" was a plastic cover for the tank, reduces chance of puncture or split such as when pushed into rear axle.

Jeep agreement is for a reduced # of vehicles, involves checking for a trailer hitch & adding one to vehicles without one.... more metal behind the tank for 'protection" is the theory.

"Better Ideas" come along regularly, "fixes" for existing vehicles have to fall into a practical range of what can be done. Free replacements for all older vehicles wouldn't exactly work, and next year you'd have to do it all over again for the next bright idea.

Defects are another separate issue, not working as designed is a separate subject from "you should have designed it different". 20/20 hindsight, and changing standards...
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