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02-06-2014 07:29 PM
felixthecat
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Originally Posted by 2014SESPORT View Post
As a dealer employee, I can vouch for this 100%. Most dealers do not hire detailers; they hire lot guys and call them detailers, our store included. My sales guy already knew not to even have them clean my car for delivery last week.

They will throw a fast wax on like Malco's Flash Wax which is actually a nice wet look wax but after one wash it is gone. Some of the bulk detail supplies these outfits sell are terrible. I have seen everything from the tire shine from some of these vendors actually discoloring bumpers,etc. I cringe just looking at some of the stuff in our detail dept. Those snow removers should not even be allowed into a dealership. Those do nothing but damage paint.
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Amen brother! The local BP station just built a car wash with the brushes. I instructed my wife to NEVER take her car through it. Well, I told my entire family and friends for that matter! Haha!

As for the dealerships, you're spot on. People think a scratch is something that goes through the paint. They have no clue. Every so often they will sell to someone who has a clue. Last week they sold an Ingot Silver SE hatch to a guy. The paper towels they use are terrible, so when they cleaned his windows the goof balls went right over the appliques on the doors and put all kinds of swirls on them. The owner did not accept it and wanted new appliques. I would have done the same, employee or not.

What makes me mad is none of these "detail" guys take any pride in their work; I am not saying every person who works in clean up in a dealer is like this as we had a guy who could detail but as I said in another thread the guy wanted more money and they would not accommodate him so he left and there are guys/girls out there who do know their stuff.

It just frustrates me when I see the sun shine in the right direction on the used car lot and see all of the swirls. I do not even know why I care; I suppose being a car guy plays into it.
My store included= it boils down to the oh mighty dallar= dealer profits vs pro's & the products. I've had to do many cars when I worked in the dealers b/s for over 10yrs & then the sales dept gets charged for for the work & they bitch. What do they expect?
11-20-2013 07:26 PM
2014SESPORT
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Originally Posted by Romans5.8 View Post
All about the benjamins!

Look at the time it takes for a dealer to detail a new car. A brand new car detail from a professional will run several hours. These dealers will knock it out with a quick rotary buffer and cheap wax, cheap wash and greasy tire and interior dressings in under an hour.

My dealer has been instructed not to detail my car either!

If car owners were better educated when it came to paint care, then it would be unacceptable. But every time you see someone use a paper towel from the gas station to wipe bird droppings off of their paint; you realize they have NO idea how paint works (or how soft and easy to scratch it is!). To most people a 'scratch' is a deep scratch that goes through clear and base coat down to primer or metal; without realizing that you can (EAASSSILLLYY) scratch just the clearcoat, which can sometimes be difficult to see until it accumulates! ONE run through an automatic car wash with brushes will instill thousands of tiny clearcoat scratches!
Amen brother! The local BP station just built a car wash with the brushes. I instructed my wife to NEVER take her car through it. Well, I told my entire family and friends for that matter! Haha!

As for the dealerships, you're spot on. People think a scratch is something that goes through the paint. They have no clue. Every so often they will sell to someone who has a clue. Last week they sold an Ingot Silver SE hatch to a guy. The paper towels they use are terrible, so when they cleaned his windows the goof balls went right over the appliques on the doors and put all kinds of swirls on them. The owner did not accept it and wanted new appliques. I would have done the same, employee or not.

What makes me mad is none of these "detail" guys take any pride in their work; I am not saying every person who works in clean up in a dealer is like this as we had a guy who could detail but as I said in another thread the guy wanted more money and they would not accommodate him so he left and there are guys/girls out there who do know their stuff.

It just frustrates me when I see the sun shine in the right direction on the used car lot and see all of the swirls. I do not even know why I care; I suppose being a car guy plays into it.
11-18-2013 10:50 PM
Romans5.8
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Originally Posted by 2014SESPORT View Post
As a dealer employee, I can vouch for this 100%. Most dealers do not hire detailers; they hire lot guys and call them detailers, our store included. My sales guy already knew not to even have them clean my car for delivery last week.

They will throw a fast wax on like Malco's Flash Wax which is actually a nice wet look wax but after one wash it is gone. Some of the bulk detail supplies these outfits sell are terrible. I have seen everything from the tire shine from some of these vendors actually discoloring bumpers,etc. I cringe just looking at some of the stuff in our detail dept. Those snow removers should not even be allowed into a dealership. Those do nothing but damage paint.
All about the benjamins!

Look at the time it takes for a dealer to detail a new car. A brand new car detail from a professional will run several hours. These dealers will knock it out with a quick rotary buffer and cheap wax, cheap wash and greasy tire and interior dressings in under an hour.

My dealer has been instructed not to detail my car either!

If car owners were better educated when it came to paint care, then it would be unacceptable. But every time you see someone use a paper towel from the gas station to wipe bird droppings off of their paint; you realize they have NO idea how paint works (or how soft and easy to scratch it is!). To most people a 'scratch' is a deep scratch that goes through clear and base coat down to primer or metal; without realizing that you can (EAASSSILLLYY) scratch just the clearcoat, which can sometimes be difficult to see until it accumulates! ONE run through an automatic car wash with brushes will instill thousands of tiny clearcoat scratches!
11-18-2013 10:32 PM
2014SESPORT
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Originally Posted by Romans5.8 View Post
Just 'as an add', just because you don't see the swirls from the dealer doesn't mean they aren't there. Waxes, glazes and fillers are often added by the guys who clean the cars at the dealership. Over a couple of months, these break down and wash away and the scratches and swirls appear. Personally, I ask them not to wash the car; let me do all that!
As a dealer employee, I can vouch for this 100%. Most dealers do not hire detailers; they hire lot guys and call them detailers, our store included. My sales guy already knew not to even have them clean my car for delivery last week.

They will throw a fast wax on like Malco's Flash Wax which is actually a nice wet look wax but after one wash it is gone. Some of the bulk detail supplies these outfits sell are terrible. I have seen everything from the tire shine from some of these vendors actually discoloring bumpers,etc. I cringe just looking at some of the stuff in our detail dept. Those snow removers should not even be allowed into a dealership. Those do nothing but damage paint.
11-11-2013 01:44 PM
Romans5.8 Just 'as an add', just because you don't see the swirls from the dealer doesn't mean they aren't there. Waxes, glazes and fillers are often added by the guys who clean the cars at the dealership. Over a couple of months, these break down and wash away and the scratches and swirls appear. Personally, I ask them not to wash the car; let me do all that!
05-17-2013 05:08 PM
dyn085
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Originally Posted by dbenney View Post
just thought i would keep you guys updated. I bought some ccs foam pads and attempted to remove swirls by hand using an orange, red and white pads with maguiars ultimate compound and swirl x. WOW what a PITA! after doing only the deck lid my shoulder was sore and very little difference.
I decided to go the DA route. I bought a portercable 7424 and a variety of lake country ccs pads and again used ultimate compound with a yellow cutting pad followed by swirl x and an orange light cutting pad... WHAT A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE! my deck lid looks new now. I didnt take any pics before and after but i will take some of the hood if you guys are interested.

any way, i learned my lesson about the snow brush. i guess next winter im gonna look like one of those tards that drives around with a foot of snow piled up on their roof hood and trunk LOL
You used the pads...by hand?

Yes, the PC will pay for itself in time. Just make sure you follow up with a good coat of wax or sealant, and keep it there all year. As pointed out above, swirls generally come from an improper wash. If you can fix what's wrong with your hand-wash, future sessions with the PC will go much more smoothly.
04-28-2013 11:05 AM
RonMaiden Winter in general is just hard on cars especially when contaminants are already in the snow when it falls. We get a snow and then when it melts there's sometimes a fine dust left behind so you gotta be extra careful just removing the snow at all.
04-28-2013 10:59 AM
dbenney just thought i would keep you guys updated. I bought some ccs foam pads and attempted to remove swirls by hand using an orange, red and white pads with maguiars ultimate compound and swirl x. WOW what a PITA! after doing only the deck lid my shoulder was sore and very little difference.
I decided to go the DA route. I bought a portercable 7424 and a variety of lake country ccs pads and again used ultimate compound with a yellow cutting pad followed by swirl x and an orange light cutting pad... WHAT A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE! my deck lid looks new now. I didnt take any pics before and after but i will take some of the hood if you guys are interested.

any way, i learned my lesson about the snow brush. i guess next winter im gonna look like one of those tards that drives around with a foot of snow piled up on their roof hood and trunk LOL
04-09-2013 10:07 PM
thejordan you can accumulate swirl marks by improper washing.

i recommend using sheep-skin mitts with grit-guards and the 2 bucket method.

Optimum No Rinse is a great product to use during winter.

Youtube is your friend.
04-05-2013 07:56 AM
dbenney
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Originally Posted by gsxrboy View Post
The swirl marks may have come from the dealership as well. Any detailer will tell you that you should remove the wax, clay bar, compound and then wax it on a brand new car. Who knows how they washed it the first time when they were delivering it to you. Also who knows how the car was handled after it was painted from the factory, a simple hand swipe will mark the clear coat.
my swirl marks definitely didn't come from the dealership. I took delivery in August and washed it about every week and waxed it every 2-4 weeks depending on how the beading was. I never saw swirl marks before winter. I do know that dealerships typically are horrible when it comes to prepping new cars. I usually tell them not to was mine, I get a lot of enjoyment and relaxation from dealingmy car.
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