|12-16-2013 08:40 AM|
I just bought all the good Gates parts from O'Reilly online since there is not one here close or locally.
The tensioner is the 'good one' and the belt was the shorter one - like 2116 or 2115, regardless, the belt was mofo tight and probably one of the biggest bugger of a belts I have ever installed...lots of colorful language going on there!!! LOL However, it's kickin a$$ and takin names!! All good, no clicking noises which of course is the tensioner slapping against the backstop because the belt is too long. The belt has stretched a bit which is normal and there have been no issues with it jumping at idle or startup. Far as I can see at this point, problem solved! Just wish my local AutoZone could carry the better parts like O'Reilly...
Now, if I could keep my daughter from sideswiping my dually in the driveway...now I gotta replace the passenger front fender...rebuilding this car one panel and part at a time...
|12-16-2013 08:11 AM|
Someone earlier posted that the 2115 mm belt worked fine for them.
I just bought a belt at Napa, so I'm thinking it was the 2134 mm - and it's worked fine for me.
O' Reilly lists the 2116 for cars with the 127 mm A/C pulley, the 2127 for the SVT, and the 2134 for other Zetec A/C cars (and the only Motorcraft belt they list is the 2134).
Short answer is probably if you can get the 2116 around the pulleys, it's your best choice, and if the 2134 doesn't "click" on startup, its okay, but you probably don't want to buy two belts and return the one you don't need.
|12-16-2013 05:08 AM|
|02Wagon5spd||So which belt length is correct?|
|11-06-2013 08:53 AM|
The Gates is still working well for me - but then again, I got 125K miles off the original one.
O'Reilly had them locally for me.
I never had a problem with belt length, but I don't have records of what I went with (and the numbers aren't visible) - but as others have said - two different belts from the same manufacturer with the same part number can be slightly different lengths.
|11-06-2013 08:40 AM|
The Dayco/Duralast tensioner I just installed looks just like the Hayden...fairly thin and exposed nylon washer in there, just inspected it on my daughters car this morning...sux :(
Will be looking to find a parts store here local that actually stocks the newer Gates one and then find a belt of the correct length...need to solve this issue so my kiddo has some reliable transportation and I'm not playing roadside service all the time...lol
|11-05-2013 08:43 PM|
|amc49||Unless they have changed the design the Ford tensioner is flat out one of the fastest wearing ones there is. The pics above show what it does fairly quick, or wears through the thinnest anti-friction washer I've seen then wears like lightning through the aluminum case underneath to break out of it. They also are not shielded very well from dirt at all. Dirt is what causes the fast wear. I'm having good luck with the fairly new Gates one, no trouble at all. If the tensioner has range notches molded on it to show where arm needs to ride then use them, your best guarantee of where the belt length needs to be. Get length such that tensioner mark is in the range and good things happen.|
|11-05-2013 05:45 PM|
|chadr||Get an original Ford tensioner. My local Ford dealer came close enough to price I found online (~$60).|
|11-05-2013 05:43 PM|
The Motocraft tensioner did take care of the clacking sound. No problems since installing it months ago along with a Duralast 6pk2115 belt.
|11-05-2013 05:04 PM|
Glad I searched hard today regarding this problem, glad I found this forum and post...unhappy that I still likely have an issue on my daughters car...
I just replaced the 7th belt and 2nd tensioner in less than 18 months...I am a pro at it to say the least, did the job in a parking lot Friday night in just at an hour from hopping out of my truck to road testing after complete R&R of everything. No joke, I'm good at it, don't even need to know or guess which tools anymore...LOL
I've pulled my hair out (I'm bald/shaved) trying to figure this damn car out and why it craps so many belts, no rhyme or reason to date that I can figure out until reading this post and some other issues, makes sense now that the tensioner is wearing and getting everything out of whack and then eating the belt.
I have a commercial account at AutoZone so I get all my parts there, just put on a new Duralast/Dayco tensioner pn# 305318 and belt was a warranty replacement Duralast pn# 835K6. Sweet part is I started it up and immediately the tensioner was jumping around and the car was cold, AC was on full, etc. to see how everything was working...'clack - clack - clack' goes the tensioner or the belt slapping on the tensioner pulley, I couldn't really tell which it was to be honest...but the tensioner was jumping around pretty good. Took it for a test drive and rechecked, running smooth w/o any issues and true/straight on all the pulleys...so, seemed ok, no more 'clack-clack' noises and revved the throttle multiple times w/o issues. Funny how this issues of crapping belts always seems to happen to my daughter when the car is cold or just starting and leaving somewhere...
So, after reading everything here, guess I have to check again which tensioner assembly I actually got, see if it is a 'failure prone' one with the exposed el cheapo nylon seal and decide whether or not to replace again with a better version (this one funny enough had a beefed up arm where the other failed/broke), fairly certain the seal was exposed though...bummer. That and I should more than likely check the belt length as the only reason for that 'clack-clack-clack' is the darn belt being too long and slapping around, bummer again...
So I guess at this point my best questions are - what is the correct or best 'new' tensioner to purchase as it seems most of them are junk - the Gates #38188? And what is the correct belt length or estimated length? I know there are three belts recommended for the 2000 ZX3 DOHC engine and the funny part is the most expensive belt is too wide for the pulleys, found that one out on the very first failure when it shredded it after 5 min on the car...the computer at AutoZone says its correct, but you take all three out of the boxes/sleeves and compare them and they are all different widths...the expensive one being about a rib too wide which equals instant failure.
I'm pretty fed up being 'roadside' service on my daughters first car every 2 - 4 months and this darn thing had me pretty baffled until now and she is scared to drive the damn thing anywhere out of the town as it's unreliable and I can't blame her. Til I found this forum today I was ready to fix it once more and take it directly to the Kia dealership and trade it in on a new car for her...LOL Not much of a Ford guy as EVERY one I have ever had has been a PITA like this one...
|06-12-2013 12:42 AM|
On my 03 zetec 2.0 I went with a 2115 mm belt (83.27") when I replaced the tensioner a few months ago because the recommended size was way too loose. Also, today I just replaced the few month old Gates 38188 tensioner with a Motorcraft one to hopefully stop the clacking sound during a stop with the car in gear and AC on.
There is still a good bit of travel left on the tensioner so I'll try the next smaller belt size (2110 mm perhaps) if the tensioner clacks around in the same way.
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