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07-27-2013 09:49 AM
CDNFocusFan
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Originally Posted by MyThIc3LiTe View Post
This the most.

The regular Titanium rims are a pain to clean to say the least; the 5 spoke 18s seem like a dream in that regard.
Second that, they're a pain to clean and to get a rag in between the spokes. Try waxing your wheels, since I did I just hose the gunk off with very minimal wiping.
07-27-2013 05:07 AM
JohnH
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Originally Posted by TORQUERULES View Post
My wife just got a new Mazda 3 hatch with the Skyactive engine and auto transmission. I just drove it. Here is how it compares to mine (remember they have the same chassis with evolutionary differences between them):

Engine/power: Smoother at idle than the Focus and very quiet, but very noisy on start up. Power is good, but not as powerful as the Focus. Probably closer to its actual rating where the Focus is underrated.

Transmission: Despite Mazda claiming a sporty feel, it is not as crisp and quick as the DCT, but is smooth. Goes into too high of a gear in town, but usually picks the perfect gear on the open road. DCT=quick and sporty, Skyactiv auto=smooth and non-sporty.

Interior: Roomy, but materials quality and design is not as inviting as the Focus. Instrumentation is lacking. Stereo good and no door rattling from the speakers. A lot more road and wind noise than the Focus. The Mazda lacks the rear inner fender felt, etc. and seems to have less interior insulation to save weight.

Exterior: IMHO, and my wife's, it is not as sharp as the Focus. Fit and finish good and projector lights work great.

Handling: VERY STIFF ride even with its 16" tires. Stiffer than my SEL premium with 2010+ MS3 springs and 17" tires. It must have very stiffly valved dampers.
Body roll is minimal with some under steer. I would rate it between my SEL when stock, and now with the Steeda rear sway bar and MS3 springs.

Fuel mileage: I see no advantage over the Focus yet.
Im going to buy a new hatch soon. I just rented on wed a 2013 Sky hatch to compare it to my 1300 mile Focus ride last Sept and your opinions are spot on and exactly what I was going to write here. Did about 500 miles. Focus is a better car and feel its more refined. The 2014 3 will have to do a better job to compete with the Focus. With more weight being shaved , somehow I can't see the noise problem going away in the Mazda. The cloth seat was utter and pure torture,the Focus seat was better, but not that great , think I will spring for leather no matter what I end up in. My friend hated the Mazda and told me not to buy it. The brakes also were not as good as the Focus, and i knew going in there is not as much HP, seems like those highway passes take just a bit longer. we drove from Whittier to Paso Robles and back. Also drove the Fiesta and Focus St models last Sat at the Rose Bowl Ecoboost challenge and the Fiesta St was awesome. The Focus St was also awesome but so spoiled with great gas mileage in my Escort I just can't stomach premium fuel and barely getting 30MPG. I'd say the Mazda and Camry were the biggest disappointments of driving 8 cars this week. The Camry was godawful ! I'm not really sure why all the fuss about the Mazda 3.
02-07-2013 10:18 AM
rickdarris2004 I too looked at both when I was considering a new car purchase. I owned a Mazda 6 a few years back, that got traded on the wifes new vehicle a year ago. I was hell bent on another Mazda, but once I tested the Focus Hatch, I couldn't justify the price difference. The mazda hatches around here were going for well over $20k, I got my SE Focus for $16,350, and after my trade I was OTD at $14.5. I love the Focus, fun to drive and gets great mileage, just what i was looking for in a new car!
02-06-2013 11:20 PM
CUBuffalo I traded in a 2010 Mazda 3 2.0, 5 speed, to get a 2012 focus hatch, auto, sport package.

The Mazda was a child's toy compared to the Focus. A fun little economy car, but the focus has better quality and technology all the way around.

And the focus has comfy sport seats that are made to hold a man (6'2", 220), not a 5'5" 130 lb japanese test driver. I was rear ended twice and the seats in the mazda broke both times. The stock suspension in the Mazda was nice, however the disk brakes were small and weak. Also, the 2.0 engine sucked a ton of gas for the small amount of power it put out. The DCT in the Focus was what finally sold it for me, although if they made a 6 speed manual it would have been tempting as well...
02-06-2013 11:09 PM
Johnny Sticceno I really only considered the Focus and the Mazda 3 Sport when looking at cars (The Imprezza too, but, not reallyy). I knew both cars were very similar and I was more impressed by the Mazda3 originally on the test drive but that was simply because the salesman let me have a much, much more aggressive drive.

When it came down to it, the extra $4,000 for the Mazda didn't seem worth it, especially since the interior really felt "cheap" to me and I would be losing the touch screen and nav of the Focus.

That said. The Mazda 3 hatch looks damn good from the outside.
02-06-2013 10:58 PM
TORQUERULES The wife's new Mazda 3 2.5 Grand Touring...

02-06-2013 03:24 PM
hooligander Reading all this makes me happy id didnt get a MZ3 Sky activ

That was actually my first pick before i tried the focus but not being able to have NAV and the horrible interior pushed me to look elsewhere

Other than a few rattles and buzzes i love this car
02-06-2013 03:12 PM
buggleston Had to register just to briefly share my "2012 Mazda 3 vs. 2012 Focus" story:

I just completed the Lemon Law buyback process on the 2012 Mazda 3 SkyActiv hatchback (manual trans) that I bought at the end of August, because it was accelerating on its own.

Replaced it with a 2012 Focus hatchback w/ the manual and sport package.

My review is as follows: Not only does the Focus have more power and a much nicer interior, it's not actively trying to kill me. Big points for that. The only things I miss from the Mazda are the 6th forward gear on the transmission, and the slightly tighter handling.

If you're curious, here's the report I submitted on Safercar.gov about the problem that gives more details. There are at least a few more people that have filed reports that seem to be having the same problem:

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Date Complaint Filed: 01/01/2013
Component(s): ENGINE , POWER TRAIN , VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
Date of Incident: 09/15/2012
NHTSA ID Number: 10490670

MY 2012 MAZDA 3 SKYACTIV HATCHBACK WITH THE 6 SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION IS EXHIBITING UNINTENDED ACCELERATION. THE SYMPTOMS EXHIBITED ARE CONSISTENT WITH MULTIPLE OTHER REPORTS IN THIS SYSTEM. AFTER DOWNSHIFTING INTO 2ND OR 3RD GEAR, OR AFTER COASTING IN ONE OF THOSE GEARS WITH THE CLUTCH DISENGAGED, THE ENGINE REVS AND THE CAR "SURGES" FORWARD UPON RE-ENGAGEMENT OF THE CLUTCH. WHEN THIS OCCURS, THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL IS ONLY BEING SLIGHTLY PUSHED, BUT THE CAR ACTS AS IF IT HAS BEEN PUSHED ALMOST TO THE FLOOR. DEPENDING ON THE POSITION OF THE CLUTCH PEDAL WHEN THIS OCCURS, THE ENGINE WILL EITHER REV TO 3000 TO 4000 RPM, OR THE CAR WILL ACCELERATE FORWARD UNTIL EITHER THE BRAKE OR CLUTCH PEDAL IS PRESSED. THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY MAZDA AFTER MULTIPLE TRIPS TO THE DEALERSHIP FOR SERVICE. UPON THE LAST VISIT, A DATA RECORDER WAS INSTALLED AND RECORDED 7 SPECIFIC UNINTENDED ACCELERATION EVENTS BETWEEN THE DATES OF 11/13/12 AND 11/20/12. ACCORDING TO AN EMAIL I RECEIVED FROM THE DISTRICT SERVICE & PARTS MANAGER FOR DISTRICT 2 OF MAZDA NORTH AMERICA OPERATIONS (MNAO) ON 12/23/12, "THE CONCERN FOUND ON THE DATA RECORDINGS TAKEN FROM YOUR VEHICLE WERE FOUND TO BE A PCM CALIBRATION ISSUE. MAZDA CORPORATION IS WORKING ON A NEW CALIBRATION FOR THE PCM WITH AN UNKNOWN TIME OF COMPLETION." WHEN I REQUESTED THAT MY VEHICLE BE REPLACED WITH ANOTHER OF THE SAME MODEL, THIS WAS THE RESPONSE FROM THE SAME DISTRICT SERVICE & PARTS MANAGER: "SINCE THE CALIBRATION OF THE PCM IS THE SAME ON A 2013 LIKE MODEL WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION IT WOULD NOT BE ADVISED TO TRADE YOU INTO THAT VEHICLE AS IT COULD POTENTIALLY EXHIBIT THE SAME CONCERN DEPENDING ON YOUR DRIVING HABITS AND CONDITIONS." I AM CURRENTLY AWAITING A RESPONSE FROM MNAO'S MEDIATION DEPARTMENT REGARDING EITHER REPLACING MY CAR WITH ANOTHER MODEL, OR BUYING BACK THE CAR FROM ME. *TR
02-05-2013 09:58 AM
cobie56
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Originally Posted by Richs10 View Post
One of the things I really like about the Focus is the lack of brake dust. My prior car, a MINI Cooper Clubman was terrible with that. You washed it, drove it down the street, came back, and there was brake dust on the wheels. And it stuck to the rims. The 18 inch rims on my Titanium are great since they have widely spaced spokes which allow you get the wash rag all the way in to clean the insides of the rims....but its not such big problem since the Focus puts off very little dust.

Rich
i agree w/ you about the lack of brake dust. never any between washings. iyo, do you feel it's due to the materials in the brake pad or the composite of the disc or both?

i ask this cuz my '01 focus never had brake dust (green pads) but at one point in had to have new discs.... even w/ the green pads the brake dust was terrible.
02-05-2013 09:18 AM
TORQUERULES Not bad. I'll look for a stock MS3 exhaust and make a CAI...

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2.5L Dyno Results
This car finally sounds like it should have from the factory. I almost just chose to drive it home instead of returning it to our customer. Unfortunately my conscience got the best of me, and he drove off excited to test the car out for the weekend. The dyno results on this combination of intake and exhaust were equally as impressive, but dynamically speaking were a bit different from the 2.0L. Where the 2.0L opened up quite a bit at the top end, the stump pulling 2.5L exhibited up to 20lbft of torque gains in the midrange with a consistent 10-12hp gain through the entire powerband. Stock Peak HP & Torque were 158/161, and the intake and exhaust built 171hp and 171lbft of torque.
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