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05-12-2014 02:25 AM
danbfree
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Originally Posted by Buildist View Post
Since the new owner is NOT the original purchaser of the part the warranty is void and the manufacturer will NEVER have to honor it.
Thankfully Ford doesn't treat their 5/60 powertrain warranty this way... As the 2nd owner my '13 DCT went bad after only 18k total miles and 3 days and 150 miles of me owning it. Thankfully the Ford dealer took great care of me and even gave me a loaner even after I had bought it at a used lot! On Hyundai's/Kia's, their 10/100 drops to 5/60 on 2nd owner and NOTHING after that!

Thanks for all the input guys, you have been great and I appreciate it!
05-12-2014 02:19 AM
danbfree
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Originally Posted by Buildist View Post
You can start by looking at the 8 complaints at the BBB. I would not put complete confidence in the BBB's "F" rating for OBX because OBX is not a BBB member and the BBB holds that against companies since they then don't have much info on other aspects of the company. On the other hand, OBX CHOOSES not to be a BBB member.

There are tons of threads on message boards complaining about OBX products. There are also plenty of threads on message boards from happy customers.

I have been working on cars for 35 years. I am also "cheap." I like to get a great deal, and I like to pay little for things. Having said that, I have done a lot of work over several times because of junk parts with this philosophy and have learned that the "value" is in buying quality stuff that I won't have to replace several times, or try to make work. Through this, I learned that I cannot afford cheap when it comes to car parts.

Everyone has heard many times "You get what you pay for." Well, the modern business model, from my experience, has changed this. It is now "You get what you pay for, if you're lucky."

Steve
Man, you make some very good points, and I absolutely know what you mean... I'm just thinking "How bad can a stainless exhaust system really be?" I spent almost $900 once on a cat back exhaust for my turbo AWD Eagle Talon and had to have some welds re-done... In this case, I'm thinking the muffler would probably be the weak point so if it sucked (even just sounded terrible), there goes my $170 savings... I just wish their was a legit review or or even an informal forum post from an actual owner of this exact system before I bought it, but there isn't and I'm not so sure that I want to be the guinea pig.
05-12-2014 02:17 AM
Buildist LOL, we do have to be careful with lifetime warranties. Companies used to be somewhat respectable. I don't see that anymore.

Here's a couple things to consider. Back in the 1990's Hyundai/Kia were cars of very questionable quality, owners had lots of trouble, and sales took a nose dive. Then Hyundai/KIA came out with the 10 year/100,000 mile warranty so that people would have confidence that IF they bought one of their cars the customer could at least take SOME comfort in knowing they at least won't have to pay for all the needed repairs. This did help sales and bought Hyundai/KIA more time to work on improving quality.

People keep their cars for 4-5 years, according to market surveys. When you buy something with a lifetime warranty the manufacturers are expecting you to get rid of your car in a few years. Since the new owner is NOT the original purchaser of the part the warranty is void and the manufacturer will NEVER have to honor it.



Steve
05-12-2014 02:08 AM
Buildist
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If you can find current reviews that say that OBX is garbage, then I'd like to know and I'd appreciate the knowledge. Seriously, I do appreciate learning from you guys.
You can start by looking at the 8 complaints at the BBB. I would not put complete confidence in the BBB's "F" rating for OBX because OBX is not a BBB member and the BBB holds that against companies since they then don't have much info on other aspects of the company. On the other hand, OBX CHOOSES not to be a BBB member.

There are tons of threads on message boards complaining about OBX products. There are also plenty of threads on message boards from happy customers.

I have been working on cars for 35 years. I am also "cheap." I like to get a great deal, and I like to pay little for things. Having said that, I have done a lot of work over several times because of junk parts with this philosophy and have learned that the "value" is in buying quality stuff that I won't have to replace several times, or try to make work. Through this, I learned that I cannot afford cheap when it comes to car parts.

Everyone has heard many times "You get what you pay for." Well, the modern business model, from my experience, has changed this. It is now "You get what you pay for, if you're lucky."

Steve
05-12-2014 02:03 AM
danbfree
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Originally Posted by bluehatch14 View Post
I think the total point should be that this system has not been tested that we know of. I have the fswerks stealth system. I have had zero problems with it an neither has anyone else I know of. Why take the chance of a crap system over a good tested one. Simply because of a lifetime warranty on a system that no one has used.
OK, fair enough, that is a good point... I do think the FS Werks one is nice, I'm going to consider the same stealth one.
05-12-2014 02:00 AM
danbfree
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Originally Posted by Buildist View Post
I will say that SUS304 seems to ONLY be an Asian composition as any site I've found for information has Asian references and I have not yet found a reference in American metallurgy sites. I have an ASM book (not to be confused with ASM International. I have no idea what the acronym stands for there as their site does not break it down.) at work and I can look in there tomorrow to see what it has to say. It will have 304 stainless listed in it, but I am not expecting to find the SUS prefix.

As for what you referenced as proof that OBX is an OEM supplier, you quoted a line from the description of a MAXIMIZER product, not OBX. To add to that, the validity of that statement is greatly in question because the Maximizer High Performance trademark was trademarked by Advance Manufacturing Group who abandoned the trademark in 2013. They had it for about a year. Sounds like it was a marketing ploy.

There is nothing on OBX's About US page at their website that says they are an OEM supplier.

I will say that I have seen OBX headers that have nice welds on them. Making things shiny (polishing) is also a Chinese trait. I wonder what the thickness of the tubes is, and how the composition of the metal will hold up to repeated heating and cooling as well as engine vibration and movement (rocking).


Steve
Thanks, Steve, I do appreciate the info! If SUS304 is only an Asian composition then who knows what means. I'll definitively have to consider that... I do appreciate they do have a lifetime warranty so it must be decent enough for a company to survive vs. if they had to constantly replace them.

Edit: I did notice some good info once I clicked over to "Detailed Description":
Features:

Resonated exhaust designed
Bolt-on installation
High performance exhaust system from OBX Racing Sports
Dual Tig welded for stronger hold
Mandrel Bend for smoother exhaust flow
T-304 stainless steel
OBX backed lifetime warranty against manufacturer defects
Geniune OBX product
05-12-2014 01:58 AM
bluehatch14
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Originally Posted by danbfree View Post
What? The updated link covered all that, not the same seller, web site or anything. I doubt OBX wrote that eBay ad so it's not even a valid point.



Who says it's an inferior product? It's 304 stainless steel, hand built with a lifetime warranty. I've bought American made exhausts that cost double that were absolutely garbage too, so why not get the cheapest to start with? I had to have welds re-done on my expensive American one before so I'll take the savings and pocket it, thank you. If you can find current reviews that say that OBX is garbage, then I'd like to know and I'd appreciate the knowledge. Seriously, I do appreciate learning from you guys.
I think the total point should be that this system has not been tested that we know of. I have the fswerks stealth system. I have had zero problems with it an neither has anyone else I know of. Why take the chance of a crap system over a good tested one. Simply because of a lifetime warranty on a system that no one has used.
05-12-2014 01:55 AM
danbfree
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Originally Posted by FriskyDingo View Post
With any cheap exhaust system you get what you pay for, the fitment is always a little off and theres barely any packing in the mufflers making the car sound horrible.I bought a system for a 240sx i owned and was disappointed even with the 'silencer plug' installed and the ground clearance was terrible!
So this was specifically OBX and what year? Thanks for the info, I do appreciate the input.
05-12-2014 01:53 AM
danbfree
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Originally Posted by bluehatch14 View Post
The point im trying to make is obx makes both products you linked. Yes you edited it with a second product of theirs correctly. The first product you linked of theirs was not correctly labeled. You are going to trust and buy a product from someone who doesn't even know what car this product is supposedly made for?
What? The updated link covered all that, not the same seller, web site or anything. I doubt OBX wrote that eBay ad so it's not even a valid point.

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Im not trying to degrade or simply say all your statements are not logical. I understand wanting to save some cash but not at the cost of an inferior product. Yay they provide lifetime warranties. When you send your first crap product back we can send you another crap product.
Who says it's an inferior product? It's 304 stainless steel, hand built with a lifetime warranty. I've bought American made exhausts that cost double that were absolutely garbage too, so why not get the cheapest to start with? I had to have welds re-done on my expensive American one before so I'll take the savings and pocket it, thank you. If you can find current reviews that say that OBX is garbage, then I'd like to know and I'd appreciate the knowledge. Seriously, I do appreciate learning from you guys.
05-12-2014 01:51 AM
bluehatch14
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Originally Posted by danbfree View Post
So... you are saying they just completely made up that fact? That would be a very bold lie for no real reason if that wasn't true... Seriously, this is an aftermarket performance exhaust system, why would they go out of their way to make up a lie about being the world's largest OEM part supplier if it wasn't true?

I guess you have your definition of common sense and I have my own... and I'll have a lifetime warranty to back it.
OEM as in they provide companies like Ford, Honda, ect with stock parts. Those are OEM parts. OEM is different than aftermarket performance parts. This exhaust system you are looking at is not OEM in the least.
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