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03-04-2014 03:55 PM
chemistkremer
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Originally Posted by BetaDnB View Post
How does that work? I've never had TC kick when I have it deactivated...and it shouldn't. Electronic stability control still kicks in, but not TC.

(edit) And I never drive in the snow with my TC enabled.
Maybe it's the ESC. If I'm trying to power up a hill (spinning my wheels the whole way up) with TC off, the TC dash light will flash if I reach 5-6K RPM while spinning my wheels.

I never drive in the snow with it enabled either, but without a proper set of winters, the Focus is just about as useless as any other front drive compact sedan on varied terrain.

Two of the reasons the Prius shines in my book are the instant torque from the electric motor/CVT for some good up front power, and the massive battery in the back to weigh the rear end down.

Lolz this is in no way an advertisement for a Prius. Maybe I should look at the Focus electric in the future...
03-04-2014 12:30 PM
BetaDnB
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Originally Posted by chemistkremer View Post
The moment the wheels slip, traction control kicks in and kills all upward momentum, often turning it off is useless because eventually it overrides me and kicks in anyway.
How does that work? I've never had TC kick when I have it deactivated...and it shouldn't. Electronic stability control still kicks in, but not TC.

(edit) And I never drive in the snow with my TC enabled.
03-04-2014 12:16 PM
chemistkremer On flat roads I've found my Focus on ProContis with 60% tread to be just about as good as any car with front wheel drive when it's snowing. However, on hilly roads (of which PA has very many), it's the worst. The moment the wheels slip, traction control kicks in and kills all upward momentum, often turning it off is useless because eventually it overrides me and kicks in anyway. Next winter I will be investing in snow tires.

In fact, I've only so far found traction control to be beneficial when it's recently rained...on gravel, ice, snow, slush, sand, dirt, etc., it's just crap.

We have a multitude of cars at our house, but when it snows I take the Prius with fresh winters every single time...I wouldn't ever consider our Yukon unless we had 18+ inches on the roads. There is literally no road I have not been able to pass through in that Prius. Hopefully winters changes my Focus into that kind of a beast.
03-04-2014 10:06 AM
BlueIce I think tire life generally has more to do with driving style, the car, and where you're driving at more than it has to do with the tire itself. i.e. Tires in the North, general won't last nearly as long as tires in the South.

But I do know there is quite a difference between tires, even cheap tires. I live near Akron and went to University of Akron, which has a program and newer building strongly funded by Goodyear. Having talked with more than a couple people in the program, the science that goes into even coming up with different rubber formulations is beyond me. But I do know that tires have different components making up the tire and different formulas and chemicals that go into the rubber.
03-03-2014 11:12 PM
SEFocus2012 Exactly. Between cheap tires their life is generally all the same. most are rough riding, wear unevenly and tend to be loud.
03-03-2014 03:38 PM
mittencuh
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Rubber is rubber, and a tire is a tire.

Now in saying that- i know how stupid and ignorant and arrogant it sounds but unless you buy 700$ a piece p zero rosso's then you are just paying for rubber. Alot of these knockoff brands are made by firestone, goodyear,(big wigs) and are fairly good everyday tires. Now some- even some potenzas theyve installed- will not balance for shit.
Having owned multiple brands on many cars, having the correct set of tires can completely change a cars character in the wet, dry, and snow.

In some ways, you're right. Read as many tire reviews online as you can. Some of the cheaper brands (like General, which I have for winter tires) are just as good if not better than bigger brands like Continental (who own General). In my experience some of the most expensive tires that I've bought have been the loudest and quickest wearing. But this all depends on your driving style and preference. I prefer a softer ride instead of flawless handling. In my experience, I've had the best balance between ride/handling/all weather traction with Pirelli products. They were also the most even wearing tires I've ever had. Anything I've had made by Goodyear wore very unevenly.
03-03-2014 12:07 PM
BetaDnB
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Rubber is rubber, and a tire is a tire.
Nope. Not even close. There are so many differences from tire to tire including tread wear rating, temperature rating, sidewall stiffness, etc.
03-03-2014 01:15 AM
SEFocus2012 I also find it ignorant when people insist that going the speed limit is safe in a snowstorm. Then again, it may just be because I had a family member paralyzed by a business man in an Audi who was late to work and thought he was invincible and the laws of physics don't apply to someone with AWD and winter tires. [/QUOTE]

I didnt realize he said he drove at speed in a storm. I do not agree with that and I dont. I have had dear friend completely paralyzed from the neck down because of it. I meant that I drive in my lane and go by the rules of the road like a normal driver. He stated people drive 10 in the middle lane. Around my area they straddle double yellows if there is no middle. i am sorry for what happened.
03-02-2014 11:19 PM
BlueIce
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Originally Posted by SilverPony2001 View Post
I have been following this thread, as well as the other snow threads, and I don't understand how people have problems with this car in the snow, or people say the stock Conti Pro Contacts are garbage.

Maybe it's because for the past 10 years I have been driving on bald tires, or the cheapest foreign tires Discount tire had.... But this is probably the best car I have every driven in snow. I have had no problems this year, in the Chicago area, driving through 4 - 5 inches of snow at some point. I never turned off the traction control, and I had awesome traction. I was usually "that guy" going the speed limit in thick snow when 90% of everyone else was driving 10mph in the middle of the road. I think people just need to learn how to drive in the snow. I used to drive a Mustang GT in the winter, with all seasons. I had 'some' issues with that, but for the most part no problems.

I only have 9000's miles on my conti's, so maybe they will get worse... but as of now, this has been the best handling car in the winter I have driven.
No problems w/ tires that only have 9K miles on them? Well I'll be...They deserve some kind of reward.

Honestly though, I've NEVER had a good continental tire...ever. My favorite tire is a toss up between Potenzas and a set of Yokohama's I had awhile ago.

I also find it ignorant when people insist that going the speed limit is safe in a snowstorm. Then again, it may just be because I had a family member paralyzed by a business man in an Audi who was late to work and thought he was invincible and the laws of physics don't apply to AWD.


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Thats me, lol im the normal driver when people turn into hermits cuz of a little frozen water. Ive never had a problem and hell i have half bald Kelly Charger GT's with about 20k on them. Thats not to say i advise driving on warn out tires in the snow or any of that but ya know
I also find it ignorant when people insist that going the speed limit is safe in a snowstorm. Then again, it may just be because I had a family member paralyzed by a business man in an Audi who was late to work and thought he was invincible and the laws of physics don't apply to someone with AWD and winter tires.
03-01-2014 05:24 AM
mechanizeddeath Thanks for the quick response. I've been hoping to find someone on the forum with the same tires as mine. At least I know the insane noise isn't an isolated issue.

I think they would be adequate in the winter, except this is one of the hardest winters we've had in recent years. Lots of snow and ice and the plows and salt trucks just can't keep up with it. But even the best all season can't compare to a true winter tire, so I wasn't expecting miracles, especially considering how bad it has been out.

It's been a long time, but if I remember right, back then Kelly was the budget brand from Goodyear. I think it still is.
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