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Today 05:01 PM
ChrisFocus14
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The last week or two, the shuddering has continued but also turned into an ungodly grinding noise, which is worse going up a hill or turning, usually shifting between 1st and 2nd gear or 2-3. No other time does it make the noise, and it usually happens when the car has warmed up a bit (after 20 mins or so of driving).

I'm pretty upset since I traded a car I couldn't trust for another one. My car is scheduled to be looked at at the dealer on Monday morning. Had to argue with them for a while about getting a loaner so I could get to work (you know, the whole reason I bought a new car...) but eventually the sales guy got me one. Something tells me this problem won't go away.

I will follow-up with the results, but i'm starting to worry about what kind of lemon I may be stuck with for the next however long, and I haven't even made a payment!!!!!!!! It's ridiculous that Ford puts these cars on the street knowing the issues they have, I can GUARANTEE you that this is why the person who had the car before me traded it in. It is in beautiful condition with only 25k miles, why else would you trade in?

-Chris


Just wanted to do a quick update, they had my car in this morning and seemed to know exactly what I was talking about. They did the flash update, i'm picking it up from the dealership tomorrow morning. They claim there was no leaking in the seals and the clutch looks ok so they didn't replace parts, but I don't believe them. However, this is the first time it's in the shop (new to me) so i'm willing to give them one try. Took some coercing to get a loaner from the sales guy but I got one. Something tells me the grinding will continue after the update.

Wanted to THANK EVERYONE on this thread, as cars aren't my specialty and this info helped me get ahead of the issue. My biggest concern is that it won't be fixed and i'll be stuck with a problematic car.

Will post an update after driving it for a bit.

Thanks, Chris
Today 02:16 PM
mr_cassandra
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Originally Posted by 12_SESport View Post
Just wanted to update you guys. The tcm was the culprit. Funny enough I just got a recall letter from Ford staying I needed to get my tcm replaced for my issue I had. Unfortunately the shudder is back again. The worst part is I've been paying down this car religiously so I can trade it in and the dealership I went to said they won't take it because they have too many being traded in and because of all the transmission issues these cars are having. It's funny how that Ford dealership a year ago sold me this car telling me it's such a great car and not to worry about the complaints for the transmission because they were unfounded. I went to a second Ford dealership this weekend to be told the same thing except they aIso threw in that even if they did take it on trade that i would not like their offer because they will pay auction price only for these cars. It's sad when I'm trying to give Ford a second chance and they don't care. It's not like they're going to lose money on me buying a new car from them. Sorry my rant is over. I hope others are having better experiences.
How much stuff like this does it take to get owners really, really mad?

said they won't take it because they have too many being traded in and because of all the transmission issues these cars are having. It's funny how that Ford dealership a year ago sold me this car telling me it's such a great car and not to worry about the complaints for the transmission because they were unfounded. I went to a second Ford dealership this weekend to be told the same thing except they aIso threw in that even if they did take it on trade that i would not like their offer because they will pay auction price only for these cars.

This directly conflicts with the many discussions on these forums about how this problem was limited AND ONLY AFFECTING A SMALL AMOUNT OF PRODUCTION.
Today 02:11 PM
FordService
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Originally Posted by 12_SESport View Post
Just wanted to update you guys. The tcm was the culprit. Funny enough I just got a recall letter from Ford staying I needed to get my tcm replaced for my issue I had. Unfortunately the shudder is back again. The worst part is I've been paying down this car religiously so I can trade it in and the dealership I went to said they won't take it because they have too many being traded in and because of all the transmission issues these cars are having. It's funny how that Ford dealership a year ago sold me this car telling me it's such a great car and not to worry about the complaints for the transmission because they were unfounded. I went to a second Ford dealership this weekend to be told the same thing except they aIso threw in that even if they did take it on trade that i would not like their offer because they will pay auction price only for these cars. It's sad when I'm trying to give Ford a second chance and they don't care. It's not like they're going to lose money on me buying a new car from them. Sorry my rant is over. I hope others are having better experiences.

Thanks for keeping us all updated. I want to look into some options on my end. What's your updated mileage?

Meagan
Today 09:09 AM
Downunder
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Originally Posted by 12_SESport View Post
I went to a second Ford dealership this weekend to be told the same thing except they aIso threw in that even if they did take it on trade that i would not like their offer because they will pay auction price only for these cars. I hope others are having better experiences.
Trade-in prices from Kelly Blue book is a useful place to see if you are getting ripped off or not.

Kelley Blue Book - New & Used Car Price Values
Kelley Blue Book best-resale-value-awards

The sad news is that when you trade in a 3 year old car it's value can drop to as low as 33% of the purchase price. One of the categories that holds its price well is large SUVs. So after 3 years despite the fact it burns more gas, when you consider the extra trade-in value you may be ahead compared to a compact car purchase. So when you trade-in your Focus you could consider a Toyota Tacoma with a resale value of 81% after 3 years. This type of craziness makes your head spin when you are trying to work out the cheapest way to get around.
Yesterday 12:01 PM
12_SESport Just wanted to update you guys. The tcm was the culprit. Funny enough I just got a recall letter from Ford staying I needed to get my tcm replaced for my issue I had. Unfortunately the shudder is back again. The worst part is I've been paying down this car religiously so I can trade it in and the dealership I went to said they won't take it because they have too many being traded in and because of all the transmission issues these cars are having. It's funny how that Ford dealership a year ago sold me this car telling me it's such a great car and not to worry about the complaints for the transmission because they were unfounded. I went to a second Ford dealership this weekend to be told the same thing except they aIso threw in that even if they did take it on trade that i would not like their offer because they will pay auction price only for these cars. It's sad when I'm trying to give Ford a second chance and they don't care. It's not like they're going to lose money on me buying a new car from them. Sorry my rant is over. I hope others are having better experiences.
Yesterday 09:00 AM
Downunder
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Originally Posted by mr_cassandra View Post
Odd that it is being phased out as it seems to be in growing use in a collection of brands worldwide. The North American car of the year 2015 was the VW Golf family including the GTI and R models. The R even uses DCT in its all wheel drive.
The new ecoboost engines with the new 6 speed auto or the new 6 speed manual combinations now in Europe and other markets are a step up from the 2liter DCT combo currently offered in the US.

If it works together better most people won't worry what it is. Most people people don't care as long as it works. eg a very popular non-Ford model often called "whitegoods on wheels" gets ranked regularly as the number one selling car in the world.

I guess it is a wait and see how the new ecoboost and gearbox combos work in the US and how well the plant they use to build the US models can actually put them together properly and the dealers properly service etc.
Yesterday 05:46 AM
mr_cassandra
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Originally Posted by Downunder View Post
I noticed that in D mode the shift patterns seem to favor low revs and quite quickly shift gears back into the 1500 RPM range. This probably would be ok if the 2L engine was a diesel with lots of torque but it makes the petrol engine labor and it doesn't really have a lot of torque until the higher revs and possibly slips the clutch at the low revs to make a smooth change. Whilst a gearbox can handle it every now and again, if you were driving stick you wouldn't do it as after a while you would wear out the clutch or other bad things.

In S or Sport mode the gears shift at higher revs and holds the gears longer more like if you were driving stick. It's what the sales person recommended I do around town. This seems to result in the gearbox being more in the right gear for turning and overtaking and the car labors less. But as you guess the car chews more gas but not a lot really too much but enough to cause a marketing person to worry about how many cars they won't sell. (NOTE people don't care a penny about what the fuel economy of a car is if it is constantly in the shop or splashed across the front page of the newspaper and forums that the car is a lemon)

I found manual mode a good option if you want to stretch the legs of the car. What I do notice is that to get the best out of the gearbox, like a manual, make sure you shift gears at the right rev points. Get it wrong and just like a manual the shift can take quite a bit of time as the gearbox gets the revs correct.

I raise these points as the gearboxes seem to die after a period of time. People get them fixed and later the problem is back. Has the gearbox been set to shift to too low revs as some have said to get better fuel economy? Now that the DCT gearbox is being phased out could Ford release a TSB which offers more reliability for D mode? If there was a survey if people wanted 0.5MPG better fuel economy or less days and cost lost for the car being in the shop people would vote for more reliable car.

I raise this as an option as Ford did something similar a few years back with one of their cars where the turbo was set too high and caused reliability problems and they reduced the boost when the customer brought it in for service. Ford could reset the the shift rev levels for more reliability instead of fuel economy.

Another possible solution for people with the DCT gearbox as Ford moves to Focus models with the torque converter.
Odd that it is being phased out as it seems to be in growing use in a collection of brands worldwide. The North American car of the year 2015 was the VW Golf family including the GTI and R models. The R even uses DCT in its all wheel drive.
Yesterday 02:23 AM
Downunder
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Originally Posted by suss6052 View Post
Neither set up should be more reliable than the other.
I noticed that in D mode the shift patterns seem to favor low revs and quite quickly shift gears back into the 1500 RPM range. This probably would be ok if the 2L engine was a diesel with lots of torque but it makes the petrol engine labor and it doesn't really have a lot of torque until the higher revs and possibly slips the clutch at the low revs to make a smooth change. Whilst a gearbox can handle it every now and again, if you were driving stick you wouldn't do it as after a while you would wear out the clutch or other bad things.

In S or Sport mode the gears shift at higher revs and holds the gears longer more like if you were driving stick. It's what the sales person recommended I do around town. This seems to result in the gearbox being more in the right gear for turning and overtaking and the car labors less. But as you guess the car chews more gas but not a lot really too much but enough to cause a marketing person to worry about how many cars they won't sell. (NOTE people don't care a penny about what the fuel economy of a car is if it is constantly in the shop or splashed across the front page of the newspaper and forums that the car is a lemon)

I found manual mode a good option if you want to stretch the legs of the car. What I do notice is that to get the best out of the gearbox, like a manual, make sure you shift gears at the right rev points. Get it wrong and just like a manual the shift can take quite a bit of time as the gearbox gets the revs correct.

I raise these points as the gearboxes seem to die after a period of time. People get them fixed and later the problem is back. Has the gearbox been set to shift to too low revs as some have said to get better fuel economy? Now that the DCT gearbox is being phased out could Ford release a TSB which offers more reliability for D mode? If there was a survey if people wanted 0.5MPG better fuel economy or less days and cost lost for the car being in the shop people would vote for more reliable car.

I raise this as an option as Ford did something similar a few years back with one of their cars where the turbo was set too high and caused reliability problems and they reduced the boost when the customer brought it in for service. Ford could reset the the shift rev levels for more reliability instead of fuel economy.

Another possible solution for people with the DCT gearbox as Ford moves to Focus models with the torque converter.
08-29-2015 11:17 PM
suss6052
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Originally Posted by Downunder View Post
I was wondering if the DCT gearboxes where you can put it into sport mode with the option to manually select the gears are more reliable than the versions where you only have the D and L options?

Whilst I am assuming that the mechanicals are the same in the gearbox I am curious to know if the programming is the same.

eg when in D they are programmed the same but S is different to L in auto mode. This true?

Does anyone know?

If the sports mode set-up is more reliable I'm wondering if converting them from the D+L set-up to the sports mode is another option to help with the people with problems?
I would suspect the programming is the same in drive. However the programming is completely different for the automatic sport mode vs low. Low is not intended to be driven in at higher speeds as it locks the transmission into 1st or possibly up to 2nd, where as sport/select shift auto uses gears 1-5.

Neither set up should be more reliable than the other.

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I read a few pages back where someone said they had a fleet of focus with 100,000plus miles on them with very few issues..

Do the S and SE models 6speeds differ from the Ti other than the lack of the manual mode?

Are both 6 speeds DCT?

6-speed PowerShift automatic (opt. on S and SE)
6-speed PowerShift Automatic with SelectShift® Manual Control (included in the SE Plus package and std. on Titanium)

I ask because i doubt many fleets would order up Ti or SE with PLUS
Every MK3 Focus from 2012-2016 with the 2.0L Ti-VCT GDI engine and automatic transmission has the exact same DPS6 transaxle (DCT).

Only the 2016 Focus with 1.0L EcoBoost I3 GTDI engine and optional automatic transmission will have a different gearbox, a traditional planetary automatic transmission.
08-29-2015 05:50 PM
TKG26 I read a few pages back where someone said they had a fleet of focus with 100,000plus miles on them with very few issues..

Do the S and SE models 6speeds differ from the Ti other than the lack of the manual mode?

Are both 6 speeds DCT?

6-speed PowerShift automatic (opt. on S and SE)
6-speed PowerShift Automatic with SelectShift® Manual Control (included in the SE Plus package and std. on Titanium)

I ask because i doubt many fleets would order up Ti or SE with PLUS
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