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Yesterday 05:26 PM
20FocusDriver16
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Originally Posted by Fabio0716 View Post
Hey do you know if the Velossa tech big mouth would fit in the 2015 WITHOUT having to cut the inner cowl? Or would it slide in the little hole shown in the 2016 video? I'm thinking of doing this but need some expert advice.

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I may be wrong, but after looking at the Ford Racing Ram Air installation vid for an ST on the CJ pony site (link below), I dont see where it could go without cutting anything?? I know the one you are referring to is from a different manufacturer but I would guess the installation remains the same? If you find a way to slip it in somewhere without cutting please post pics!!

https://youtu.be/gO2eRgVAWwE
09-23-2016 05:03 PM
Fabio0716
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Originally Posted by ChalupaJones View Post
Glad the video was able to help you out.
Hey do you know if the Velossa tech big mouth would fit in the 2015 WITHOUT having to cut the inner cowl? Or would it slide in the little hole shown in the 2016 video? I'm thinking of doing this but need some expert advice.

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09-07-2016 08:33 AM
ChalupaJones Glad the video was able to help you out.
09-07-2016 08:27 AM
sftwengnr dyn085,

Thanks for the video. I did the snorkel delete last night and already can feel the driveability improvement with the AC on. I have a 2014 Focus SE w/ a 5 speed. Prior to the snorkel delete when accelerating from a stop sign or red light the car would stumble, bog down and sometimes stall. It became such an issue I would routinely turn off the AC at stop lights and stop signs so the car would not stall in the middle of an intersection. Yes, I put a new air cleaner in the car and it did not help the driveability situation. I am not a floor it away from the stop kind of guy. I feel you should be able to move from a stop without having to drop the hammer. I can do that now. Thanks.

bob
09-06-2016 10:46 PM
FFhb13
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Originally Posted by 20FocusDriver16 View Post
So I finally picked up my ST velocity Stack today which has been sitting at the parts counter since last week but have lost my enthusiam for this mod.. I know this is an old thread and the issue has been looked at from every angle and beaten to death so I'm not going to keep rehashing old arguments etc etc. . i guess the bottom line is if you want to add the coolness factor of putting on that stubby lil' $5 ST part then go for it otherwise leave on the stock snorkel until some kind of a real ram air system is installed.. (unless you are willing to remove the shroud or open up a path for more air to hit that velocity stack opening on the cross member, then perhaps some performance improvement might be realized over the stock snorkel).. either way a high flow filter might help with all scenarios..
Velossa techs big mouth scoop...check it out, thats a snorkel!

https://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=...act=mrc&uact=8
09-06-2016 10:42 PM
20FocusDriver16
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Originally Posted by sailor View Post
You say you don't want to argue it, then start rehashing it all over again.

The stubby ST air horn doesn't help much beyond the stock ugly hole through the cross member, maybe the tiniest bit at full flow. Makes it look a LOT more finished though.

Removing the snorkel sound silencer DOES help with flow by experiment, at least in conjunction with a better flowing air filter. They work in concert for this car, neither BY ITSELF will improve results. It takes both to make a difference.

Engineering objective STOCK was the quietest & smoothest practically possible, the snorkel is a sound deadener and the stock RMM is for the most drive train vibration isolation. Once you want more performance, other FACTORY parts are better like the ST piece there OR the ERMM.

'Newmission" mod looked good to many, proven NOT to be a real advantage over the factory setup once the snorkel was removed.
I'm not arguing, just a small quibble here and there lol...

Anyway, thanks for that great summary of points! I guess I'll go ahead and throw that stub on with a high flow filter to complete my entry level mod and start to plan my next stage of development
09-06-2016 10:18 PM
sailor You say you don't want to argue it, then start rehashing it all over again.

The stubby ST air horn doesn't help much beyond the stock ugly hole through the cross member, maybe the tiniest bit at full flow. Makes it look a LOT more finished though.

Removing the snorkel sound silencer DOES help with flow by experiment, at least in conjunction with a better flowing air filter. They work in concert for this car, neither BY ITSELF will improve results. It takes both to make a difference.

Engineering objective STOCK was the quietest & smoothest practically possible, the snorkel is a sound deadener and the stock RMM is for the most drive train vibration isolation. Once you want more performance, other FACTORY parts are better like the ST piece there OR the ERMM.

'Newmission" mod looked good to many, proven NOT to be a real advantage over the factory setup once the snorkel was removed.
09-06-2016 09:38 PM
20FocusDriver16
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Originally Posted by Gi_Jo_Nathan View Post
There is no question that this mod is worth the price paid(generally free).
And worth the couple minutes it takes to do it.
I think it also helps break in some people that are new to modding.
True, I know when I 1st started reading the snorkel delete and the newmission mod I was psyched to get out and start tearing my airbox & bumper apart lol but after going back over the actual data or lack of I figure it's prolly just better to leave it as is until I get a real ram air snorkel like Ford ST upgrade.
Actually I'm going to try and get in touch with someone in Ford and see if I can get some real engineering data on that stock SE snorkel vs the ST velocity stack.. it just makes no sense to design a more expensive piece of plastic (~$35) to put on that N/A engine if it doesnt increase some type of gain or work better with the overall airflow from the shroud design, especially when the resonator abates the noise?? When I look through the grill with the shutters closed it looks like the shroud directs the air up both sides and through its center which would cover the entire length of the stock snorkel vs. just a little bit with the offset stub on the ST stack.
It actually looks like the snorkel would do a better job in the small crossection of limited air flow, actually a dual opening or full length snorkel would be even better, maybe something that lools like this ducting off an old ford vent and then just drill some additional holes or blocks in the center??
09-06-2016 08:16 PM
Gi_Jo_Nathan There is no question that this mod is worth the price paid(generally free).
And worth the couple minutes it takes to do it.
I think it also helps break in some people that are new to modding.
09-06-2016 07:53 PM
20FocusDriver16 So I finally picked up my ST velocity Stack today which has been sitting at the parts counter since last week but have lost my enthusiam for this mod.. I know this is an old thread and the issue has been looked at from every angle and beaten to death so I'm not going to keep rehashing old arguments etc etc. . i guess the bottom line is if you want to add the coolness factor of putting on that stubby lil' $5 ST part then go for it otherwise leave on the stock snorkel until some kind of a real ram air system is installed.. (unless you are willing to remove the shroud or open up a path for more air to hit that velocity stack opening on the cross member, then perhaps some performance improvement might be realized over the stock snorkel).. either way a high flow filter might help with all scenarios..
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