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10-01-2012 09:18 PM
JeremyT
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Originally Posted by ralck View Post
Well, at least in my opinion the Mazda3 the only competition!

The original reason I went with my Focus is that I could get a manual transmission and sunroof combo (in 2012 could not get Mazda Skyactiv manual with sunroof). Then I fell in love with my Focus way more than I expected (thought it would be a good car, but turned out to be a great car).

Now that I need to buy a new car, I'm torn between the 2013 Mazda3 and 2013 Focus. I'm between:
  • Focus SE w/ Winter Pack and Moonroof
  • SE w/ 201A, Winter Pack, and Moonroof
  • Mazda3 iGrand Touring (standard with heated seats, moonroof, voice activation similar to sync, etc)

With the SE I lose rear disc brakes (much debated, mainly want them for servicing myself, especially with how important the e-brake is with a manual), but I get all the creature comforts like heated seats (winter pack), blind spot mirrors, cheaper price, fold flat seats, etc. This is the cheapest of the options by about $2k.

The SE with 201A is virtually the same as the Mazda3 I'm looking at (both have leather, rear disc, etc etc), but the Mazda gives me a few extras like upgraded Bose sound (I would not be getting the MFT/Sony pack on the Focus), Mazda suspension/driving dynamics/steering feel, in-dash Nav (a feature I would probably never use), and probably 1-2MPG better.

BUT the Mazda dealerships where I live really don't want to negotiate price, so with the current Focus rebates, etc, the SE 201A is at least $3k cheaper (assuming I get lucky and can negotiate ~1000 off a Mazda).

Am I crazy for not being able to decide which one? 3k buys a lot of suspension/speaker/etc upgrades, but I don't think I can upgrade the steering feel (the Focus has good feel, but the Mazda is still better). Am I crazy? It just seems so hard to choose since they are virtually the same car...

P.S. Yes, I expect all of you to recommend the Focus because this is a Focus forum.

Getting back on topic, I'm very interested in finding out what you decide on and then a few pics for good measure!
10-01-2012 03:05 PM
revhigh
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Originally Posted by darkangelism View Post
At least you have driven both.

They should just replace it with the ST suspension, that doesn't have any issues and is a few hundred in parts.

I agree DA ... I bet they spent 3 or 4 times 'a few hundred dollars in parts and labor' with that ineffective TSB that they applied to both sides of my car, and then the 4 wheel alignment that I insisted upon, and know that they did ... because I have the data from the alignment.

It would be nice to know exactly which part(s) resolves the problem. I think Zillion replaced a bunch of stuff at the same time, so it's more difficult to isolate the 'problem solving part' since multiple things were done at the same time. Although it could certainly be a combination of parts that resolved the issue.

I'm not letting them touch my car again until they have a proven solution ... if that ever happens.


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10-01-2012 02:54 PM
darkangelism
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Originally Posted by revhigh View Post
Several .... they were nice cars ... as all 3's are ... I drove them when I was purchasing the Focus this spring, as well as VW TDI Jettas and Golfs ... both with and without the dual clutch trans.

In the end ... I was really impressed ... and I mean ... REALLY .... impressed .... with the Focus's handling and road manners. I had done a fair amount of research on the cars ... which is why I decided on the manual trans over the DCT, and the standard stereo option rather than Sync or MFT.

Unfortunately .... I didn't come across the suspension issues in my research .... my fault, and now I have to live with it unless Ford finally fixes it once and for all, which as of now ... seems unlikely IMO.


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At least you have driven both.

They should just replace it with the ST suspension, that doesn't have any issues and is a few hundred in parts.
10-01-2012 02:49 PM
revhigh
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Originally Posted by darkangelism View Post
Have you driven a skyactiv?
Several .... they were nice cars ... as all 3's are ... I drove them when I was purchasing the Focus this spring, as well as VW TDI Jettas and Golfs ... both with and without the dual clutch trans.

In the end ... I was really impressed ... and I mean ... REALLY .... impressed .... with the Focus's handling and road manners. I had done a fair amount of research on the cars ... which is why I decided on the manual trans over the DCT, and the standard stereo option rather than Sync or MFT.

Unfortunately .... I didn't come across the suspension issues in my research .... my fault, and now I have to live with it unless Ford finally fixes it once and for all, which as of now ... seems unlikely IMO.

Regarding the youtube video ... if the operator isn't intentionally doing that with the throttle ... clearly something is wrong with that transmission .... which as many here are apt to say ... can happen with any mechanical item ... every now and then. Also ... regarding the forum link above the youtube link. It seems that once the trans was reprogrammed it was fine ... I didn't read all three pages, though.


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10-01-2012 02:37 PM
darkangelism
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Originally Posted by revhigh View Post
Regarding the transmission ... evidently it (the Mazda transmission) misbehaves' a helluva lot less often than the Focus DCT does. I drove two or three Mazdas at the time, and all of them were silky smooth without a hint of your so-called 'bad bahaviour'. My daughter currently owns a Mazda with a perfect transmission at 140K miles, and I've owned other Mazdas over the years ... they all acted just like normal cars and didn't leave you wondering when the tranny was going to fail, or why it was grinding, or shuddering, or 'missing gears', or hunting for gears, or unexpectedly going into neutral when starting out.



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Have you driven a skyactiv?

http://www.mazdaforum.com/forum/mazd...-issues-28662/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B2YAzmhMfE
10-01-2012 02:15 PM
revhigh
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Originally Posted by suss6052 View Post
The skyactiv 2.0 L gdi gas engine is less powerful than the nominally similarly sized 2.0L GDI engine in the Focus.


The skyactiv automatic is a traditional automatic with a minor twist, a more aggressive lock up clutch and a smaller torque converter than normal, which can lead to shuddering by design which is as bad or worse as anything reported about the mechanically simpler powershift dry dual clutch automated manual transmission, at least when it misbehaves.

it doesn't crash about and beat you up

WOW !!! It has a whole FIVE horsepower less than the Focus. What a dog that must make it .... however it does have THREE more lb/ft of torque than the Focus so that really makes a huge difference as well.


Regarding the transmission ... evidently it (the Mazda transmission) misbehaves' a helluva lot less often than the Focus DCT does. I drove two or three Mazdas at the time, and all of them were silky smooth without a hint of your so-called 'bad bahaviour'. My daughter currently owns a Mazda with a perfect transmission at 140K miles, and I've owned other Mazdas over the years ... they all acted just like normal cars and didn't leave you wondering when the tranny was going to fail, or why it was grinding, or shuddering, or 'missing gears', or hunting for gears, or unexpectedly going into neutral when starting out.

Also ... how is it that the antiquated, horrendous, cavemanlike slushbox transmission of the Mazda gets better mileage than the vastly more advanced and high-tech DCT transmission of the Focus ... with the exception of the SFE model ?

Personally ... I've never experienced a Mazda suspension that 'crashed about and beat you up' ... and you're the only person who I've ever heard use the terms you use in describing anything non-Ford. Even my teenage daughter knows that excessive exaggeration does nothing to further the point you're trying to make. The Mazda 3 has for years been the benchmark of the world for compact cars, and for you to dismiss it's suspension as 'crashing about', and 'beating you up' ... is simply ludicrous. My considered assessment would be that the Focus suspension is slightly better and a little more compliant .... however, that slight advantage quickly loses it's luster by the clunking, creaking, and noise issues that many examples of the Focus experience.

I'm not saying which to buy ... that's the OP's decision to make .... but if I had it to do again ... I think I'd go with the 3 ... given what I know now. Unfortunately ... Ford has grossly disappointed a lot of current buyers, and their inability to resolve these issues ... or worse yet ... their denial that they exist ... just makes it even worse.




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09-30-2012 04:26 PM
suss6052
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Originally Posted by lifocus View Post
Good choice and the right choice..................ZOOM ZOOM !
The 3 is not immune from the suspension clunk issues reportedly, and uses the exact same upper strut bearings as the Focus. The skyactiv 2.0 L gdi gas engine is less powerful than the nominally similarly sized 2.0L GDI engine in the Focus. The skyactiv automatic is a traditional automatic with a minor twist, a more aggressive lock up clutch and a smaller torque converter than normal, which can lead to shuddering by design which is as bad or worse as anything reported about the mechanically simpler powershift dry dual clutch automated manual transmission, at least when it misbehaves. But do go on about how the mazda feels sportier because it has a firmer ride and crashes about more.

The Focus had a much better compromise between ride and handling, even the standard suspension on the hatch is firm yet supple, it doesn't crash about and beat you up, yet it still holds the road well.
09-30-2012 09:58 AM
funktional My focus was totaled a couple of months ago, I chose to go with the Mazda and I've been very happy with my decision so far. After doing a ton of research on both cars I just was not too thrilled with the issues Ford has been having with the latest Focus and while I enjoyed my previous Focus, it certainly was not without issues. I drive a lot and already have almost 15k on the Mazda with zero issues. Drive both for a decent amount of time before you decide, they both have their strengths and weaknesses, personally I liked the suspension/steering in the Mazda much better but I will give the nod to the Focus in the looks department.

Good luck with your decision.
09-30-2012 09:21 AM
ralck
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Originally Posted by Power Surge View Post
Hmmm...with everything I have read...why not consider getting a leftover Job2 2012? That gives you rear discs on the SE sport and well as a ton other options they did away with for 13. You could probably even get a leftover Titainium for what a 13 SE goes for.

Just a thought. That's the route I'd go. There's nothing I've seen on a 13 that would make me not look for a leftover 12 first for way less money.
I tried that. Problem is, there are basically none out there in manual transmission. I refuse to get the DCT (MTX is more fun and engaging).
09-29-2012 09:32 PM
Power Surge Hmmm...with everything I have read...why not consider getting a leftover Job2 2012? That gives you rear discs on the SE sport and well as a ton other options they did away with for 13. You could probably even get a leftover Titainium for what a 13 SE goes for.

Just a thought. That's the route I'd go. There's nothing I've seen on a 13 that would make me not look for a leftover 12 first for way less money.
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