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09-26-2012 09:56 PM
RonMaiden You can't,the tradeoff is better braking.
09-26-2012 04:43 PM
TboneZX3
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Originally Posted by RonMaiden View Post
I guess it mostly is depends on your driving style so if it's moderate then drums will be fine for the masses but if you drive hard then you can't beat the discs.
I don't think that would apply to my case...

My 2001 has been driven hard (road & track) since I bought it new. It has 140K miles on it and still has the original drums and shoes in good shape. I've never put that many miles on rear discs before changing at least the pads.

I'm just stating my experience here. If you have a suggestion as to how to get that many miles out of a set of rear pads on a car that is driven hard, I'm all ears.
09-26-2012 03:32 PM
RonMaiden I guess it mostly is depends on your driving style so if it's moderate then drums will be fine for the masses but if you drive hard then you can't beat the discs.
09-26-2012 02:19 PM
TboneZX3
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The choice in fact is quite simple and opting for disc brakes is always the better decision as they offer better service in a wide range of driving conditions and also last longer.
I've owned several vehicles with disc/drum combos, and others with all drums or all discs, and I've never once had a disc pad/rotor combination outlast a shoe/drum combo.

The reasons I prefer discs have been mentioned: easier maintenance, better stopping power and modulation.
09-26-2012 01:39 PM
Pretherius
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yes, i agree that they do get this "rusty" film on them when moisture is present (the disc brakes do), but I'd be more concerned about excessive the dust trapped in drum brakes causing issues with the ability of the pads to do their job. I do like the idea with the discs that they do sort of clean themselves (at least as far as excess brake dust goes). The thin layer of moisture/rust, I can deal with because it usually goes away after a few stops anyway.

I think the beneifts of discs outweight the drums in my opinion. I will only take a car with drum brakes if it's given to me or if the car is a huge steal compared to one with disc brakes. but aside from that, I probably won't buy another car again with rear drum brakes, ABS or not.
Discs get rusty too. The pads scrape off the rust when you drive the car; same thing happens with the drums.

Brake dust doesn't particularly get "trapped" in the drums. They are not fully sealed. There is a backing plate with a gap around the circumference of the drum. If you've ever actually replaced drum brakes, you won't find that two shoes' worth of dust falls out when you pull off the drums. Notice how your rear wheels get caked in brake dust just like the front ones (though usually to a lesser extent than the fronts because of brake bias and the drums spitting out most of the dust away from the outer side of the wheels), so it's obviously leaving the drums.

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Alot of it does come down to keeping cost down using drums but there's no arguing which is better but if you drive with a little spirit the discs are much more rewarding and last longer.

Article exerpt-----------
Which ones are Better?
Disc brakes operate better than drum brakes because of the difference in dissipation of heat in both systems. While drum brakes get overheated due to the heat trapped inside the drum, the rotor cools faster and offers better braking ability. Today most cars have a combination of both brakes in their functioning. Front wheels are fitted with disc brakes and rear wheels are fitted with drum brakes. There are high-end cars that come with disc brakes fitted in all wheels. Drum brakes are cheaper than disc brakes. A combination of the two braking system helps in keeping the price of a car to be reasonable, while offering adequate braking ability. If you opt for disk brakes, there is a lesser risk of frequent problems.

The choice in fact is quite simple and opting for disc brakes is always the better decision as they offer better service in a wide range of driving conditions and also last longer.
Much of that excerpt is pretty bogus (...aside from the fact that they didn't even proofread it, which makes it even less credible). "Lesser risk of freqent problems"? Based on what? What problems, exactly? "Opting for disc brakes is always the better decision" is a fabrication as well.

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IMO the look alone is worth the price;drums are one thing on a car that screams cheapness and is why drums are still being offered.
Fortunately I have steel wheels with plastic covers so I don't have to worry about the brakes looking cheap. :P

I'm not a huge fan of drum brakes myself, but most of the arguments people are making here in favor of discs are questionable at best. If you prefer the aesthetics, fine. If you race autocross, or you really want to do your own brake work and can't stand drums, fine. But it's a waste of money beyond that. Again, it would be better spent on tires.
09-26-2012 01:28 PM
Pretherius
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Originally Posted by Philxx View Post
Hey Pretherius: I agree with your analysis if it was just the discs for $1600 but I'm still pondering if the discs plus sat radio, touring suspension, 17" alloy wheels, fog lights etc is worth that much. I'm leaning towards yes but still haven't decided for sure. Appreciate your comments.
Yep, I totally understand. It's a package deal and the disc breaks sweeten the value. Just don't go for it if you only really want the package for the rear discs.
09-26-2012 01:07 PM
RonMaiden IMO the look alone is worth the price;drums are one thing on a car that screams cheapness and is why drums are still being offered.
09-26-2012 01:05 PM
RonMaiden Alot of it does come down to keeping cost down using drums but there's no arguing which is better but if you drive with a little spirit the discs are much more rewarding and last longer.

Article exerpt-----------
Which ones are Better?
Disc brakes operate better than drum brakes because of the difference in dissipation of heat in both systems. While drum brakes get overheated due to the heat trapped inside the drum, the rotor cools faster and offers better braking ability. Today most cars have a combination of both brakes in their functioning. Front wheels are fitted with disc brakes and rear wheels are fitted with drum brakes. There are high-end cars that come with disc brakes fitted in all wheels. Drum brakes are cheaper than disc brakes. A combination of the two braking system helps in keeping the price of a car to be reasonable, while offering adequate braking ability. If you opt for disk brakes, there is a lesser risk of frequent problems.

The choice in fact is quite simple and opting for disc brakes is always the better decision as they offer better service in a wide range of driving conditions and also last longer.
09-26-2012 12:39 AM
sirhawkeye yes, i agree that they do get this "rusty" film on them when moisture is present (the disc brakes do), but I'd be more concerned about excessive the dust trapped in drum brakes causing issues with the ability of the pads to do their job. I do like the idea with the discs that they do sort of clean themselves (at least as far as excess brake dust goes). The thin layer of moisture/rust, I can deal with because it usually goes away after a few stops anyway.

I think the beneifts of discs outweight the drums in my opinion. I will only take a car with drum brakes if it's given to me or if the car is a huge steal compared to one with disc brakes. but aside from that, I probably won't buy another car again with rear drum brakes, ABS or not.
09-25-2012 07:10 PM
thenorm
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Originally Posted by I Bleed Ford Blue View Post
I live in the midwest also, and I will not ever own another vehicle with rear drum brakes. Disc brakes by design, are self cleaning. You can even get them wet and they still work, drums on the other hand will lose about 75% of their braking capacity when wet until you dry them out.
they dry out in moments.
converting vehicle motion into heat will boil the water pretty fast. and your brakes get hot!, That why you brake fluid needs to withstand almost 500F (260C)
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