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09-15-2012 07:29 AM
Mazingo
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Originally Posted by MyThIc3LiTe View Post
Umm...you pretty much are trolling.

You aren't adding anything new, you keep spewing the same things over and over and you're very misinformed and making a lot of assumptions of your own.

Also, you don't even have the car anymore. What could you possibly add to this? You got rid of it, fine. So why are you compelled to come here and air your dirty laundry?

Do you think you're being helpful by crying about what happened to you? Your case was an exception to the norm, not the standard.
Have you been reading other threads?you should.
09-15-2012 01:07 AM
MyThIc3LiTe
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Originally Posted by Mazingo View Post
Again you take my comments out of context and accuse me a trolling.The only reason we are still talking about this, it's because you and suss6052 are overanalyzing each words I say here.Get a life guys.
Umm...you pretty much are trolling.

You aren't adding anything new, you keep spewing the same things over and over and you're very misinformed and making a lot of assumptions of your own.

Also, you don't even have the car anymore. What could you possibly add to this? You got rid of it, fine. So why are you compelled to come here and air your dirty laundry?

Do you think you're being helpful by crying about what happened to you? Your case was an exception to the norm, not the standard.
09-15-2012 12:43 AM
Mazingo
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Originally Posted by MyThIc3LiTe View Post
It had no right to be on the road?

You're suffering from a little confirmation bias.

Just cause you had major issues doesn't mean we all had major issues and that the DCT is a broken tech.

If the failure rates were Xbox 360 levels, hey you might have a very good point.

But they aren't. Far from it.

If it was such an issue there would be NHTSA mandated recalls in effect and if the DCT tech itself was broken then Every brand that offers one would have dropped it.

So try again with your trolling when your Focus breaks again. Oh wait, you don't even have one anymore. So why keep coming back when clearly you have nothing constructive to say and a rather poor sense of sentence structure and how to use spaces.
Again you take my comments out of context and accuse me a trolling.The only reason we are still talking about this, it's because you and suss6052 are overanalyzing each words I say here.Get a life guys.
09-14-2012 11:23 PM
Old Man Mack It's also useful to remember dealerships order the cars they think they'll sell the best; when I was shopping for a Focus in April, I checked out four dealerships here in Idaho, and every one had at least some manuals on the lot.
09-14-2012 11:03 PM
MyThIc3LiTe
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Originally Posted by Mazingo View Post
After losing 6000$ on a car that had no business being on the road,I think I got the right to laugh a little bit.
It had no right to be on the road?

You're suffering from a little confirmation bias.

Just cause you had major issues doesn't mean we all had major issues and that the DCT is a broken tech.

If the failure rates were Xbox 360 levels, hey you might have a very good point.

But they aren't. Far from it.

If it was such an issue there would be NHTSA mandated recalls in effect and if the DCT tech itself was broken then Every brand that offers one would have dropped it.

So try again with your trolling when your Focus breaks again. Oh wait, you don't even have one anymore. So why keep coming back when clearly you have nothing constructive to say and a rather poor sense of sentence structure and how to use spaces.
09-14-2012 09:42 PM
Mazingo
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Originally Posted by DayGlow View Post
That was in response to mr. boom goes the dynamite.
After losing 6000$ on a car that had no business being on the road,I think I got the right to laugh a little bit.
09-14-2012 08:43 PM
DayGlow
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Originally Posted by kam327 View Post
No, that was in response to your claim that since there were only 56 complaints to the NHTSA, there are only 56 Foci in the whole world with a tranny problem, for a .000003% failure rate or whatever it is you said. My counter is that there are many many more than 56 Foci with a tranny problem out there due to people like me who aren't going to take the time to complain to the NHTSA or similar body.
That was in response to mr. boom goes the dynamite.
09-14-2012 03:37 PM
kam327
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Originally Posted by MyThIc3LiTe View Post
So the Initial demand was too low this Ford never made enough?
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Originally Posted by Mazingo View Post
The initial demand was not low ,Ford simply decided not to produce a lot of manual Focuses.
See this article on the subject. It says Ford underestimated the demand for manual Foci by half.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/01/c...transmissions/
09-14-2012 03:32 PM
Mazingo
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Originally Posted by MyThIc3LiTe View Post
So the Initial demand was too low this Ford never made enough?

That's just smart business. They made a lot of DCTs and they sell a lot of DCTs, follow the chain of logic as to what they'll carry more of.

My dealer doesn't have a single manual car save the few Mustangs they have on their lots.

The market has spoken and they are not buying manuals in the numbers they used to
The initial demand was not low ,Ford simply decided not to produce a lot of manual Focuses.The dealerships have close to zero manual cars,they tell clients that to get a car they got to wait two months and pay more ,yes of course they'll sell more DCT ,because they don't want to sell manual unless the client is very patient and he's ready to open his wallet a little more.

You can't sell a lot of something you decided to sell very little of.And don't tell me that dealerships are stucked with manual SEL or Titanium because this is BS.Chances are that if a dealership orders a few manual Titaniums,the second they will be in the lot and other dealerships will see those on their inventory screens ,they will sell them for their own customers.This is the way it works.And I seen way more DCT sit in lots than manuals because there are simply none.
09-14-2012 03:29 PM
kam327
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Originally Posted by DayGlow View Post
I'm sorry, So this only applies to the Focus? Kinda invalidates your whole point. Guess I'm not smart enough to see what you're saying.
No, that was in response to your claim that since there were only 56 complaints to the NHTSA, there are only 56 Foci in the whole world with a tranny problem, for a .000003% failure rate or whatever it is you said. My counter is that there are many many more than 56 Foci with a tranny problem out there due to people like me who aren't going to take the time to complain to the NHTSA or similar body.

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Originally Posted by DayGlow View Post
The complaints vs 1000 is more telling, but, is it to the point that you can claim the Powershift is half-baked as a whole?
Now you're putting words in my mouth. Look at my post a few posts earlier, I said:

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Originally Posted by kam327
I completely agree, the DCT is not inherently flawed. I know that mine has performed perfectly in the past so I know it's possible. I think it's just that Ford is letting too many of them get too far off specs, probably mostly in terms of the software but clearly there are numerous hardware problems too. They need to keep perfecting it to make it bulletproof no matter what type of driver is driving it.
My reason for bringing up these NHTSA numbers was in response to your post.

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Originally Posted by DayGlow
Ford has sold well over 200,000 Foci across NA and the DCT uptake is probably at least 80% of those. What percentage of those sold would be problem transmissions? Even looking at this forum the polls I've seen about the DCT have less than a 100 people praticipating and off the too of my head the last one about issues with the latest uorate had less than 30 people unhappy with it. Does that show major issues with the transmission? To be generous lets say there are 100 unique individuals posting on this forum complaining of major issues with the transmission does that show that there is a systemic problem across the board with all Focus with the DCT?
This Forum is not a reliable source for judging how many people have an actual problem with their DCT because I believe that for every person who seeks this forum out just to bash their DCT, there are dozens more that don't even know this forum exists and have no desire to seek it out to vent. My gut feeling is that somewhere on the order of 10-20% of Ford DCTs out there have some sort of a shuddering, shifting, or stalling issue caused primarily by the software and secondarily by a small amount of bad hardware. Why would Ford spend the money developing new software updates every 4-6 months otherwise? If it wasn't a significant problem, they would just hang the unfortunate out to dry and accept the fact that they won't get their business again.

You have no more evidence to refute my claim than I have to support it. So it will continue to be an eternal debate.
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