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09-08-2012 09:28 PM
forceflow2
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Originally Posted by collisionbend View Post
...which so far has only been commercially available in cars the caliber of Lamborghinis and Ferraris.

Better? ;-)
Nope. Not at all since that's still incredibly wrong.

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Originally Posted by MyThIc3LiTe View Post
Lambo itself has a ISR system, it's double clutch essentially
Except, you know, without the double clutches.

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Originally Posted by MyThIc3LiTe View Post
And in our segment guess which cars offer it? The Focus and the Veloster.
Plus the other ones we apparently aren't going to mention. But that's cool.

Anyways, good luck with your arguments everybody. I'm sure someone will take over for me. I have better things I need to do at the moment.

09-08-2012 04:26 PM
MyThIc3LiTe
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Originally Posted by Bolto View Post
Wow, I love my focus, but you come off as a total fanboy. I haven't had any major issues with my focus at 16k miles, and I hope that it doesn't for the next 5-7 years that I plan to own it, but its long term reliability is entirely unproven.

I don't see myself ever owning a civic or corolla in their current forms, but I can understand why people buy them - they are very reliable, if totally boring cars. For some people, having a reliable appliance is all they need, so no need to hate.

To answer the original question, I think ford will try to do right by the focus. Ford has too much at stake for people to be questioning the reliability of one of their best-selling and most well-known vehicles. Ford does not want to go back to the days of "Fix Or Repair Daily."
Fanboy? No.

I just spend a few months gauging where to throw my money, so sue me if the Focus has earned it better than the other cars on the market.

I don't think Ford was ever fix or repair daily, but hey, I'm not part of the group that spreads FUD about brands.

By that logic, I also wouldn't recommend VWs, Land Rovers, Jaguars, BMWs Mercs or Audis if I was really scared of repairing.
09-08-2012 03:39 PM
ransil I'm waiting for the 2020 model :)

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09-08-2012 03:22 PM
Bolto
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Originally Posted by MyThIc3LiTe View Post
Since I'm getting fed up with idiots who don't know what the DCT is...

YOU'RE AN IDIOT.

It is two manual transmissions being shifted by a computer. Still acts like a manual, just no clutch pedal.

No torque converter means no parasitic suck that all autos have, this won't be as smooth.

Go ahead an buy Japanese. The only car remotely competitive with the Focus, Cruze and Dart is the Mazda 3 but hey, don't let me tell you that the Mazda 3 is just a cast off previous generation Ford focus platform employing car. If you like paying for 5 year old tech go ahead.

There is a good reason the Japanese are losing in comparison tests. Hell, the 3 domestics get more comparison time against each other than they do with the Japanese. Car and Driver put the Fpcus ahead of the Dart, Inside Line did the same against the Cruze when the car launched.

Unless you like paying for so called Japanese engineering. Japanese engineering gets me crap interiors, crap design and crap value. All new cars so warranty and resale value mean nothing, I don't buy cars thinking ill be selling in 5 years I buy them based off what's the best value and for any scenario the Focus keeps winning.

Sorry you've had "issues" but the Focus is still 10 times the car that anything from Japan can muster.
Wow, I love my focus, but you come off as a total fanboy. I haven't had any major issues with my focus at 16k miles, and I hope that it doesn't for the next 5-7 years that I plan to own it, but its long term reliability is entirely unproven.

I don't see myself ever owning a civic or corolla in their current forms, but I can understand why people buy them - they are very reliable, if totally boring cars. For some people, having a reliable appliance is all they need, so no need to hate.

To answer the original question, I think ford will try to do right by the focus. Ford has too much at stake for people to be questioning the reliability of one of their best-selling and most well-known vehicles. Ford does not want to go back to the days of "Fix Or Repair Daily."
09-08-2012 01:34 PM
MyThIc3LiTe
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Originally Posted by lptousig View Post
FYI you jump pretty fast to conclusion IDIOT. Yes I use the word automatic since it's shifting automatically. DCT is nothing new. I did work on DCT while at university for SAE Formula competition if you know what this is, which I doubt. I agree with you that DCT cannot be as smooth as automatic ttransmission since it doesn't have any torque converter but For Your Information good DCT design are suppose to shift more quickly and more smoothly, at least, than with a single-clutch. Which is not the case of the FOCUS. I recommend you go to BMW and make a road test with their DCT and you will feel the difference. If the focus didn't learn how someones drive after 45000KM, it will never adapt. What about the increasing noise it makes? Next time don't loose people time instead jumping to IDIOT conclusion.
Well not duh you genius, the Focus DCT will NEVER be as hardcore as BMW DCTs because BMW can program their DCT to be as agressive as it needs to be.

And for the record, BMW DCTs also shift as 'slowly' as our Focii in regular modes. In sport modes those times drop.

We don't have a sport mode. Not one on the likes of what BMW gives their cars with the DCT.

I'm not sure what you added to the discussion...you spent a lot of time saying nothing at all
09-08-2012 01:19 PM
lptousig
DCT transmission nothing

FYI you jump pretty fast to conclusion IDIOT. Yes I use the word automatic since it's shifting automatically. DCT is nothing new. I did work on DCT while at university for SAE Formula competition if you know what this is, which I doubt. I agree with you that DCT cannot be as smooth as automatic ttransmission since it doesn't have any torque converter but For Your Information good DCT design are suppose to shift more quickly and more smoothly, at least, than with a single-clutch. Which is not the case of the FOCUS. I recommend you go to BMW and make a road test with their DCT and you will feel the difference. If the focus didn't learn how someones drive after 45000KM, it will never adapt. What about the increasing noise it makes? Next time don't loose people time instead jumping to IDIOT conclusion.

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Originally Posted by MyThIc3LiTe View Post
Since I'm getting fed up with idiots who don't know what the DCT is...

YOU'RE AN IDIOT.

It is two manual transmissions being shifted by a computer. Still acts like a manual, just no clutch pedal.

No torque converter means no parasitic suck that all autos have, this won't be as smooth.

Go ahead an buy Japanese. The only car remotely competitive with the Focus, Cruze and Dart is the Mazda 3 but hey, don't let me tell you that the Mazda 3 is just a cast off previous generation Ford focus platform employing car. If you like paying for 5 year old tech go ahead.

There is a good reason the Japanese are losing in comparison tests. Hell, the 3 domestics get more comparison time against each other than they do with the Japanese. Car and Driver put the Fpcus ahead of the Dart, Inside Line did the same against the Cruze when the car launched.

Unless you like paying for so called Japanese engineering. Japanese engineering gets me crap interiors, crap design and crap value. All new cars so warranty and resale value mean nothing, I don't buy cars thinking ill be selling in 5 years I buy them based off what's the best value and for any scenario the Focus keeps winning.

Sorry you've had "issues" but the Focus is still 10 times the car that anything from Japan can muster.
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Originally Posted by MyThIc3LiTe View Post
I have a June 2011 - issues? None.

I haven't had to go for TSBs on the DCT either. MFT sucks, but that's a given since they went crazy with it and didn't optimize it at all till the update.

As far as the DCT goes. People who have a 2012 Focus probably don't know how DCTs work. They will never, ever be as smooth as torque converters. I knew, coming from experience with VAG dual clutch boxes that I shouldn't expect for slow speed smoothness.

At high speeds? Oh god does this gearbox work wonders, but thats a given for all DCTs.
09-08-2012 01:17 PM
VectorZ
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Originally Posted by Mazingo View Post
A year ago I was talking to the owner of a Ford dealership who was telling me that the Focus was one update away from being 100% bulletproof.A year later nothing has changed.
Mine is.
09-08-2012 10:47 AM
Mazingo A year ago I was talking to the owner of a Ford dealership who was telling me that the Focus was one update away from being 100% bulletproof.A year later nothing has changed.
09-08-2012 10:23 AM
collisionbend Which is another angle to what I was trying to say: it's certainly worth overlooking the low-speed shenanigans for the fun and performance - which is what the DCT delivers.

What I found interesting, while shopping for cars, was what the competing car salesmen were saying about the Focus' DCT: basically, "you never know what their trannies are doing down there." (I had one say exactly that; he was selling Kia, I believe.) It doesn't make much sense, in an arena where technological advancement sets your product apart from your competitors, to act the luddite.

And this isn't to say that torque converter automatics don't still have their place: I certainly don't want to be stopped at a traffic light on a steep hill behind a fully-laden F-150 or F-250 with a DCT.
09-08-2012 10:00 AM
MyThIc3LiTe
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Originally Posted by collisionbend View Post
Sorry, I was typing faster than my tiny, little mind was thinking!

What I *meant* to say was that the DCT is one of the more interesting transmission technologies that have trickled down from racing, which so far has only been commercially available in cars the caliber of Lamborghinis and Ferraris.

My point is that the DCT is meant to be driven, not babied. If you want to drive like a geezer, buy a Camry.

Better? ;-)
VW is only now bringing the DSG to models other then the GTI.

Audi now finally offers a DCT worth having, R Tronic sucked since it was basically akin to BMWs SMG or Lamborghinis egear. S Tronic is akin to Porches PDK.

Lambo itself has a ISR system, it's double clutch essentially. Ferrari is ALL DCT. BMW as well. Mercedes has its MCT in practically everything it offers now.

Basically any high end brand is now employing this tech.

And in our segment guess which cars offer it? The Focus and the Veloster. I own both of them. Partly because they happen to be fine cars, the V is a bit of a design oddball but I love it, but also because they have DCTs.

You don't go back to torque converter bullshit automatics unless you really have to. And I'm happy with my insane shifts and at speed smoothness and since I actually know what to expect from a DCT the low speed shenanigans don't bother me at all.
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