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11-12-2012 10:33 AM
Originally Posted by RonMaiden View Post
I think if people drove both the ST and a WRX back to back on a road course we'd see some very different observations.
While shopping I test drove the WRX with a factory tuned exhaust on it. I can say that the torque on that car is lacking and the HP is only generated in the 2k band where the turbo is in boost. To get any performance you need to carefully manage the gears otherwise it's not really fast. I bought the ST3 because it delivers torque everywhere and it has some boost to round out the top. I think in real world driving (not track racing) the ST will typically be noticeably faster.
because it's just easier to drive.

In full race conditions the Subaru does offer the all wheel drive which can make drifting the car much more controllable but AWD vs FWD is a long standing debate which mostly comes down to driver skill unless the pavement is very wet/slippery. My other car is P28 Range Rover which has AWD. I can and do drive it very aggressively in terrible conditions because I know it will hook up.
09-23-2012 11:58 AM
Jig Saw Ad was believable with the Mazda and Subaru - when I saw the M3 I was like yeah right!!! But then the money difference LOL.
08-28-2012 01:30 AM
dandroid Not sure if this has been posted, but it's another cool Focus ST ad:
08-24-2012 11:15 AM
RazorbackMustang Just got a call from the dealer, I'm.pre-approved to order. So there will be an ST in my garage!
08-22-2012 03:36 PM
RonMaiden Racing from a roll is too equal and would produce the same result over and over so the suspense is short lived and thus IMO takes the fun out of it unlike at the strip if you have equal cars then it boils down to the drivers and has bigger bragging rigth instwead of impromptu (and illegal) road racing and at much higher speeds than a 1/4 mile race.

I agree the ad is aimed at the Ford fanboy crowd and we'll see how the car does in the real world real soon. I really like the car so I hope it's numbers live up to the hype. I think 0-60 times under 6 seconds and 1/4 mile times in the low 14s.
08-22-2012 01:57 PM
Kabigon That clip is obviously meant for lovers of the "Fast & Furious" movies.

It's a shame that Ford's advertising / marketing for the ST is directed toward teenage boys (applies to USA only).
08-22-2012 12:14 PM
Originally Posted by Macky21 View Post
I'm already halfway there
I saw on SVTOA you placed an order. I printed my X plan PIN today.
08-22-2012 11:37 AM
Originally Posted by RonMaiden View Post
What is all this racing from a roll stuff,that was what the ricer boys did back in the late '90s since they couldn't get traction at the strip and racing from a roll takes zero skill.

Yes,it will be beat a WRX from a roll but it will need mods to beat one at the strip and we'll see the numbers from the road courses but I expect the ST to surprise some people but some early testers are complaining about the lack of a proper LSD. Should be hitting dealers next week.

I think if people drove both the ST and a WRX back to back on a road course we'd see some very different observations.
The only reason that I mentioned going from a roll is that the WRX will obviously have a distinct advantage from a stop. Going from a roll equalizes the cars and focuses the race on raw power (and weight/gearing/shifting skills of course), and not drivetrain type.

I do agree with you about the LSD issue, there are some reviewers that say the electronic diff does a fine job, while others still pine the performance benefits of a true LSD. I myself would prefer a true LSD, but Ford has made it clear that that would result in increased weight and cost, and whether or not those increases are worth it I cannot say.

Also, apparantly owners in Michigan are starting to get them in already.
08-22-2012 10:38 AM
Originally Posted by RazorbackMustang View Post
<---- Seriously considering an ST to replace my SVT as a daily.
I'm already halfway there
08-22-2012 10:12 AM
RazorbackMustang <---- Seriously considering an ST to replace my SVT as a daily.
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