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09-01-2012 08:54 PM
kam327
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Originally Posted by zetecDon View Post
Yes, I completely understood what you were intending. But I am just saying that copying vehicles has gone on for years and is nothing new.
Gotchya.
09-01-2012 04:40 PM
zetecDon
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Well that's getting a little too general though. There's only so much you can do to differentiate the body of a car with the same number and placement of doors, wheels, etc. and roughly the same dimensions as ten other cars in the class.

I was talking strictly about individual design elements such as the taillights, specifically their shape, proportions, dimensions, etc. There's definitely more that Ford, Kia, and Nissan could've done to keep their three cars' taillights from looking so similar.
Yes, I completely understood what you were intending. But I am just saying that copying vehicles has gone on for years and is nothing new.
09-01-2012 04:05 PM
Wildsailor
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True, but you know what they say, "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"...
What year did the Sentra have those rear lights? The Gen III Focus has been released in Europe as of 2010 (mid year I think). That means the Focus rear was solidified about 2008 around Christmastime. It would be interesting to see how the design timing lines up.
09-01-2012 11:46 AM
meattooth
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Originally Posted by Focus YBTC View Post
You mean the same benefits negotiated by and agreed to by all U.S. auto company management? I've always said that the anti-labor sentiment is wrong headed and I'll say it again with Labor Day coming up. The evidence for this is that marketing costs per car have always been far more than the total UAW costs per car on U.S. automobiles yet we never hear about how the marketing depts. costs have made the companies uncompetitive. It's just cranky old anti-unionism that makes this biased and inaccurate anti-union assertion. As far as quality, once the auto companies started to take it seriously U.S. built cars have been as good or better than cars built anywhere else.
I took a 17.5 % paycut and was laid off for 9 years for my company to stay out of bankruptcy....... They still went bankrupt, and then gave the ceo 50 mil bonus for getting the labor to sign away their money and benefits. Boooo it sucks when the labor has to pay for the mistakes management makes
09-01-2012 10:04 AM
kam327
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Originally Posted by zetecDon View Post
2010 Opel Astra HB


2012 Ford Focus HB


As you can plainly see, they look very similar. Automobile manufactors have been "copying" each others vehicles for years.
Well that's getting a little too general though. There's only so much you can do to differentiate the body of a car with the same number and placement of doors, wheels, etc. and roughly the same dimensions as ten other cars in the class.

I was talking strictly about individual design elements such as the taillights, specifically their shape, proportions, dimensions, etc. There's definitely more that Ford, Kia, and Nissan could've done to keep their three cars' taillights from looking so similar.
09-01-2012 09:24 AM
feta_mgp
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I was about to bring the Astra up. They look strikingly similar
I was also going to mention... the existing Forte has similar taillights, the Hyundai line has had similar taillights for 2-3 years now (the Elantra and Sonata are prime examples) etc. etc. etc.

So the Focus took some ideas from other manufacturers that seemed to work well, and we got a car that's not quite as complicated looking as some of the imports like Hyundais and the new Mazda lineup, but employs some of the same design language, in my opinion the Focus is the best looking of the current compact lineup, because it mixes some neat design elements with simple body shapes and lines. It's a good mix of simplicity and flair.
09-01-2012 09:08 AM
Focus YBTC
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No, they needed a bailout because of all the promises made to the unions over the decades. It's the benefits that went to the workers, relative to their non-union competition counterparts, that did the US automakers in. It's great the workers were paid so well but it was unsustainable given the competition.

The below-average product quality didn't help.
You mean the same benefits negotiated by and agreed to by all U.S. auto company management? I've always said that the anti-labor sentiment is wrong headed and I'll say it again with Labor Day coming up. The evidence for this is that marketing costs per car have always been far more than the total UAW costs per car on U.S. automobiles yet we never hear about how the marketing depts. costs have made the companies uncompetitive. It's just cranky old anti-unionism that makes this biased and inaccurate anti-union assertion. As far as quality, once the auto companies started to take it seriously U.S. built cars have been as good or better than cars built anywhere else.
09-01-2012 07:21 AM
NickCornell
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Originally Posted by zetecDon View Post
2010 Opel Astra HB


2012 Ford Focus HB


As you can plainly see, they look very similar. Automobile manufactors have been "copying" each others vehicles for years.
I was about to bring the Astra up. They look strikingly similar
09-01-2012 05:45 AM
zetecDon 2010 Opel Astra HB


2012 Ford Focus HB


As you can plainly see, they look very similar. Automobile manufactors have been "copying" each others vehicles for years.
07-29-2012 07:12 PM
feta_mgp
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Originally Posted by kam327 View Post
No, they needed a bailout because of all the promises made to the unions over the decades. It's the benefits that went to the workers, relative to their non-union competition counterparts, that did the US automakers in. It's great the workers were paid so well but it was unsustainable given the competition.

The below-average product quality didn't help.
Okay, be that as it may... bogus bonuses, higher salaries (I remember reading something to the effect that auto industry executives make more money when pooled together then the line workers all combined) and empty promises all add up to create a problem, all 3 are a factor when you ask me.

So it's all an issue. This is the case with most greedy corporations as well.
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