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Today 09:00 AM
Downunder
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Originally Posted by mr_cassandra View Post
Odd that it is being phased out as it seems to be in growing use in a collection of brands worldwide. The North American car of the year 2015 was the VW Golf family including the GTI and R models. The R even uses DCT in its all wheel drive.
The new ecoboost engines with the new 6 speed auto or the new 6 speed manual combinations now in Europe and other markets are a step up from the 2liter DCT combo currently offered in the US.

If it works together better most people won't worry what it is. Most people people don't care as long as it works. eg a very popular non-Ford model often called "whitegoods on wheels" gets ranked regularly as the number one selling car in the world.

I guess it is a wait and see how the new ecoboost and gearbox combos work in the US and how well the plant they use to build the US models can actually put them together properly and the dealers properly service etc.
Today 05:46 AM
mr_cassandra
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Originally Posted by Downunder View Post
I noticed that in D mode the shift patterns seem to favor low revs and quite quickly shift gears back into the 1500 RPM range. This probably would be ok if the 2L engine was a diesel with lots of torque but it makes the petrol engine labor and it doesn't really have a lot of torque until the higher revs and possibly slips the clutch at the low revs to make a smooth change. Whilst a gearbox can handle it every now and again, if you were driving stick you wouldn't do it as after a while you would wear out the clutch or other bad things.

In S or Sport mode the gears shift at higher revs and holds the gears longer more like if you were driving stick. It's what the sales person recommended I do around town. This seems to result in the gearbox being more in the right gear for turning and overtaking and the car labors less. But as you guess the car chews more gas but not a lot really too much but enough to cause a marketing person to worry about how many cars they won't sell. (NOTE people don't care a penny about what the fuel economy of a car is if it is constantly in the shop or splashed across the front page of the newspaper and forums that the car is a lemon)

I found manual mode a good option if you want to stretch the legs of the car. What I do notice is that to get the best out of the gearbox, like a manual, make sure you shift gears at the right rev points. Get it wrong and just like a manual the shift can take quite a bit of time as the gearbox gets the revs correct.

I raise these points as the gearboxes seem to die after a period of time. People get them fixed and later the problem is back. Has the gearbox been set to shift to too low revs as some have said to get better fuel economy? Now that the DCT gearbox is being phased out could Ford release a TSB which offers more reliability for D mode? If there was a survey if people wanted 0.5MPG better fuel economy or less days and cost lost for the car being in the shop people would vote for more reliable car.

I raise this as an option as Ford did something similar a few years back with one of their cars where the turbo was set too high and caused reliability problems and they reduced the boost when the customer brought it in for service. Ford could reset the the shift rev levels for more reliability instead of fuel economy.

Another possible solution for people with the DCT gearbox as Ford moves to Focus models with the torque converter.
Odd that it is being phased out as it seems to be in growing use in a collection of brands worldwide. The North American car of the year 2015 was the VW Golf family including the GTI and R models. The R even uses DCT in its all wheel drive.
Today 02:23 AM
Downunder
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Originally Posted by suss6052 View Post
Neither set up should be more reliable than the other.
I noticed that in D mode the shift patterns seem to favor low revs and quite quickly shift gears back into the 1500 RPM range. This probably would be ok if the 2L engine was a diesel with lots of torque but it makes the petrol engine labor and it doesn't really have a lot of torque until the higher revs and possibly slips the clutch at the low revs to make a smooth change. Whilst a gearbox can handle it every now and again, if you were driving stick you wouldn't do it as after a while you would wear out the clutch or other bad things.

In S or Sport mode the gears shift at higher revs and holds the gears longer more like if you were driving stick. It's what the sales person recommended I do around town. This seems to result in the gearbox being more in the right gear for turning and overtaking and the car labors less. But as you guess the car chews more gas but not a lot really too much but enough to cause a marketing person to worry about how many cars they won't sell. (NOTE people don't care a penny about what the fuel economy of a car is if it is constantly in the shop or splashed across the front page of the newspaper and forums that the car is a lemon)

I found manual mode a good option if you want to stretch the legs of the car. What I do notice is that to get the best out of the gearbox, like a manual, make sure you shift gears at the right rev points. Get it wrong and just like a manual the shift can take quite a bit of time as the gearbox gets the revs correct.

I raise these points as the gearboxes seem to die after a period of time. People get them fixed and later the problem is back. Has the gearbox been set to shift to too low revs as some have said to get better fuel economy? Now that the DCT gearbox is being phased out could Ford release a TSB which offers more reliability for D mode? If there was a survey if people wanted 0.5MPG better fuel economy or less days and cost lost for the car being in the shop people would vote for more reliable car.

I raise this as an option as Ford did something similar a few years back with one of their cars where the turbo was set too high and caused reliability problems and they reduced the boost when the customer brought it in for service. Ford could reset the the shift rev levels for more reliability instead of fuel economy.

Another possible solution for people with the DCT gearbox as Ford moves to Focus models with the torque converter.
Yesterday 11:17 PM
suss6052
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Originally Posted by Downunder View Post
I was wondering if the DCT gearboxes where you can put it into sport mode with the option to manually select the gears are more reliable than the versions where you only have the D and L options?

Whilst I am assuming that the mechanicals are the same in the gearbox I am curious to know if the programming is the same.

eg when in D they are programmed the same but S is different to L in auto mode. This true?

Does anyone know?

If the sports mode set-up is more reliable I'm wondering if converting them from the D+L set-up to the sports mode is another option to help with the people with problems?
I would suspect the programming is the same in drive. However the programming is completely different for the automatic sport mode vs low. Low is not intended to be driven in at higher speeds as it locks the transmission into 1st or possibly up to 2nd, where as sport/select shift auto uses gears 1-5.

Neither set up should be more reliable than the other.

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Originally Posted by TKG26 View Post
I read a few pages back where someone said they had a fleet of focus with 100,000plus miles on them with very few issues..

Do the S and SE models 6speeds differ from the Ti other than the lack of the manual mode?

Are both 6 speeds DCT?

6-speed PowerShift automatic (opt. on S and SE)
6-speed PowerShift Automatic with SelectShift® Manual Control (included in the SE Plus package and std. on Titanium)

I ask because i doubt many fleets would order up Ti or SE with PLUS
Every MK3 Focus from 2012-2016 with the 2.0L Ti-VCT GDI engine and automatic transmission has the exact same DPS6 transaxle (DCT).

Only the 2016 Focus with 1.0L EcoBoost I3 GTDI engine and optional automatic transmission will have a different gearbox, a traditional planetary automatic transmission.
Yesterday 05:50 PM
TKG26 I read a few pages back where someone said they had a fleet of focus with 100,000plus miles on them with very few issues..

Do the S and SE models 6speeds differ from the Ti other than the lack of the manual mode?

Are both 6 speeds DCT?

6-speed PowerShift automatic (opt. on S and SE)
6-speed PowerShift Automatic with SelectShift® Manual Control (included in the SE Plus package and std. on Titanium)

I ask because i doubt many fleets would order up Ti or SE with PLUS
Yesterday 05:28 PM
Downunder I was wondering if the DCT gearboxes where you can put it into sport mode with the option to manually select the gears are more reliable than the versions where you only have the D and L options?

Whilst I am assuming that the mechanicals are the same in the gearbox I am curious to know if the programming is the same.

eg when in D they are programmed the same but S is different to L in auto mode. This true?

Does anyone know?

If the sports mode set-up is more reliable I'm wondering if converting them from the D+L set-up to the sports mode is another option to help with the people with problems?
Yesterday 02:34 PM
JM1984 Just got a letter from Ford stating that they will provide certain VIN's with a software update and no-charge extended coverage for the TCM. They have "developed new software that will alert the driver of a possible TCM circuit failure before symptome progress."

Having experienced the "no acceleration" problem before, I am hoping that this will offer some type of early warning so that I won't get a "surprise attack."

Will still look into a possible new TCM, but this seems to be a step in the right direction.
Yesterday 06:46 AM
DaK_Mojave
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Originally Posted by Downunder View Post
You would think car manufacturers could make a reliable car by now BUT...

The American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI)

"American consumers have expressed dissatisfaction over record recalls, high prices and quality issues in an annual survey by returning the worst results in more than 10 years."

According to ACSI chairman and founder Claes Fornell, the latest survey's results were alarming.

"While it is true that all cars are now much better than they were 10 to 20 years ago, it is alarming that so many of them have quality problems," Fornell said.

"The number of recalls is at an all-time high. This should not happen with modern manufacturing technology and has negative consequences for driver safety, costs and customer satisfaction."
It is interesting about the recall numbers increasing so to me it is one of two things...

1. With all the new fangled gadgets being put on the cars, lane monitoring, blindspot monitoring, GPS, satellite radio, ABS, airbags and the like there are simply too many systems to get perfect all the time. The manufacturer can only do so much T&E before turning it over to the public. Once that is done the systems will be used and tested by the public in ways the manufacturer could never dream of. So recalls are likely to occur. Even with the all the modeling and simulation that is done today before releasing just about anything, its still just a prediction. Know one really knows the MTBF's of any product until it is placed in use.

2. Car manufacturers are made to care more about their products and the safety of others. This is probably due to the news and internet but, still made to care. Earliest recall in my life that I can remember is the Ford Pinto. This recall was for the U bolts that could cause a gas tanks explosion if a rear impact were to occur. Am of the thought that the only reason this occurred was due to it making the national news.

So with all that, if we go back to the days of the 50's and 60's where cars were much simpler I am of the thought recalls will be less but since manufacturers are being mandated to make cars safer and safer, along with consumers desiring more gadgets, recalls will continue to occur.
Yesterday 12:43 AM
Downunder
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisFocus14 View Post
I had an 05 mazda 3 hatch that was falling apart. I drive 50 miles one way to work and my car was dying on the highway, so I needed something reliable.

Long story short, I went to test drive a few cars and randomly ended up at a Ford dealer after little success with other dealers
You would think car manufacturers could make a reliable car by now BUT...

The American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI)

"American consumers have expressed dissatisfaction over record recalls, high prices and quality issues in an annual survey by returning the worst results in more than 10 years."

According to ACSI chairman and founder Claes Fornell, the latest survey's results were alarming.

"While it is true that all cars are now much better than they were 10 to 20 years ago, it is alarming that so many of them have quality problems," Fornell said.

"The number of recalls is at an all-time high. This should not happen with modern manufacturing technology and has negative consequences for driver safety, costs and customer satisfaction."
08-28-2015 05:07 PM
Luvmyfocusgrl I had the update a month ago and my car is back to the dealership as I write this.. they just replaced the positioning module and said that now there is a whole new error code! I hope there is an end to all these transmission problems! I love my car!!
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