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01-30-2013 11:35 AM
aernan When shopping for my new car I drove the WRX with a factory tuned exhaust a VW GTI (older model) a Velocetor turbo and a mini with a turbo and stick.

Cars I did not consider because they were out of my price range. BMW 335D, BMW M3, Subaru STI, Audi S4, Lancer EVO

Cars I did not drive because I couldn't find one to testdrive: Subaru BRZ, Scion thingy

The Subaru with it's AWD and aftermarket is capable of very impressive performance. You get a good car from the factory and the AWD really helps while learning how to go fast and makes it much safer in bad conditions. It will translate to good numbers on the track too but it's heavier then 2wd. Unfortunately the car feels very unresponsive to throttle input in almost all of the RPM due to the turbo. If your in the 2k band of turbo your good and you have performance. Otherwise it's a very boring motor. I was shocked and offended during my test drive. If Subaru could provide wide band torque like the ST it would be an exceptional car. I have owned a turbo stick before and have the skills to stay in the turbo band but it does take close management of the car. For a daily driver it was under performed. I'm pretty sure I should have driven the STI for comparison.

That said the interior basically looks like a honda civic from the 90's. It's really very boring and lacks any modern features. It wasn't until recently they offered a leather interior. If your going to live with the car day in and out it's nice to have navigation (or use your smartphone) and a stereo with bluetooth link. On my ST I have heated seats and they really help in the cold mornings. It does not improve track times but it does make me love the car.

The VW GTI with it's DSG is very satisfying to drive. The TC is well built and it handles very well on the freeway. The plaid seats are unique and the body lines are pretty good. We all know that VW has suffered from quality issues in their electrics and plastics. Also the older GTI has weak bolts that attach the sub frame (Front clip) and after hard driving you will hear a clunk going into corners. It's easy to correct by adding longer stiffer bolts. Given that the GTI has excellent controllable performance but it's not as fast as the ST. In addition the ST can have leather and current entertainment electronics. Lastly those rims are easy to curb and almost all GTI owners have curb damage on the right wheels (USA).

Lets talk about the Hyundai Velocetor. I drove this car side by side same day of shopping. We put the first miles on the car since it was off the boat and the tires were still slick. The car is fun to drive and has decent acceleration but it is not even in the same class as the ST or the WRX. The fuel numbers they advertise are not even close to real world and Hyundai has been forced to change them. My co worker has one and complains frequently about fuel economy. The electronics package in the car is very similar to the ST but the voice dialing does not work at all with his Android phone so I think they have some work to do there. The seats in my veloceter are comfortable and leather but they don't hug you like the ST seats. I can say the trunk is slightly longer and deeper making it a good daily driver.
01-26-2013 12:46 PM
Originally Posted by kjohnson1 View Post
How about after you have the transmission rebuilt 3 times before 100K miles? Figure that into the WRX.
I'd roll a wrx. Just have to know how to work on them.
01-26-2013 09:09 AM
RonMaiden WRX trannies have had some issues but not for the last several years,they've been pretty stout. I'm in a car club with quite a few Subis and haven't seen these tranny issues except for the guy who pushed on into the 11s and he had a few problems.
01-26-2013 07:03 AM
Originally Posted by WiscoGTI View Post
I feel like I'd still rather have the WRX.. given all those numbers. But I'm just one person.
How about after you have the transmission rebuilt 3 times before 100K miles? Figure that into the WRX.
11-07-2012 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by MacAttack View Post
Fixed! Although, I should point out that while doing 0-60 in a straight line (and under 5 seconds) is fun, I think having all that torque available at a low rpm for coming out of turns fast is more fun.
To each his own though.
Actually, I've been meaning to ask, do you actually see that 4.8s in the real world? I had heard that it required a dead start, dropping the clutch, and perfect shifts to obtain.
Alright I read through all these pages and everyone has talked about every car on this list except one...the Volvo C30 T5

Has anyone looked at how close the performance numbers are between the new ST and the C30??? The C30 is based of the old mk2 focus ST in europe, so comparing number you can see how the new mk3 ST has slightly improved over the last model.

With that said as I am looking at new car I am comparing those two vehicles directly. Both cars look amazing, gas mileage is about the same, booth are 6-speeds, and both are boosted. Now here is where the C30 pulls ahead in my book...first its a 3 door hatch! Ford doesn't even offer that anymore. Second the new ST sounds like crap compared to that Volvo T5 goodness! Third it is pretty easy to build power on a T5 with simple bolt on's and tune. In the end the volvo is considered a premium car with great quality materials and reliability.

Anyone else agree???
06-04-2012 12:56 PM
suterp I cross shoped most of those vehicles before buying in April and concluded that the WRX is superior for heavy modding or driving in the snow belt but the focus ST is superior in just about every other way, although styling is pretty subjective and reliability fairly unknown for the ST. Btw, I couldn't wait for the ST so bought a mustang GT but could end up trading for an ST next year for the lighter weight, practicality, and mpg.
06-02-2012 11:59 AM
lyonsroar I'd take one regardless!
06-02-2012 09:47 AM
You know you want= Golf R w/ TT RS motor= who wouldn't?

Originally Posted by lyonsroar View Post
I'd be quite happy with either an mkv .:R32 or an R regardless if it has the TT RS engine inside. <3 the R's...
You know, you'd want the Golf R w/ the TT RS motor= you can't BS anyone=l LOL
06-02-2012 09:06 AM
RonMaiden Yeah,that VW sure looks interesting but still no plans for a US version.
06-02-2012 07:34 AM
mac.mogul I'd prefer if we had the Scirocco R...
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