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05-12-2015 12:40 PM
heyjayman Back in the 1990`s I had that happen to me. It only takes once, and you swear "never again".

Like my dad taught me: when you screw something up, you did it with good intentions. When you pay somebody, and THEY screw it up, at the very least they're incompetent. At worse, it was malicious!

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Well…it finally happened. I got burnt getting my oil changed by someone else.
05-12-2015 12:21 PM
sailor Laying anything removed on a shop rag is one of the better 'tricks' to avoid issues with any repairs/servicing. (works for tools as well)

Doubt there's anyone who has done many who HASN'T fired one up with an oil cap off, it can get messy quick.

Pulling the fill cap BEFORE draining is another way to try & ensure oil gets added before firing it up, an additional clue that a step remains to be done.
05-11-2015 05:21 PM
Arco-Zakus
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Nobody will ever take as good of care of your car as you do. ...
Too true. I know that most professional mechanics have more training and more experience than I do, but the faster they work the more money they make. I make a point of never being in a hurry when I work on my cars, so I can (almost always) take the time to check and recheck my own work. Being a bit OCD helps, too.

Another advantage I have is that when I work on a car, it's the same one repeatedly. Professionals constantly work on different cars. If there's anything unsual happening with mine that's not completely obvious then I'm more likely to see, feel, hear, or smell it than they would. (And to know that it is not "normal".)

I know what Tigeo means about getting busy and not always having the time to do everything myself. Unfortunately, there have been very few exceptions where I have trusted someone else to work on my cars that it has not resulted in disappointment, or worse -- especially at new car dealer service departments. I am really dreading having to take my new Focus to a dealer to have the fuel pump replaced, or to have to tackle that big a job on my own. I'm gettin' too old for this stuff.
05-11-2015 05:01 PM
Arco-Zakus
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... I could smell oil burning. I figured it was a small spill that can happen but upon opening the hood, saw that they left the filler cap off (it was sitting on the front plastic piece covering the radiator). Sprayed oil all over. I lost it b/c I keep my motor clean. I had only driven a few miles and the level was still at full on the dip stick. ...
I did this myself once after topping up my wife's car between oil changes. Just as I was pulling the empty plastic oil bottle out of the filler hole someone came up and asked me some questions that distracted me from what I was doing. (Normally when I work on my cars there is no one else around.) We were in a hurry to hit the road for a long drive, so I forgot about replacing the cap when I closed the hood and we took off.

Luckily I have a very sensitive nose and I smelled it pretty quickly. (No one else in the car did.) Less than a quart had sprayed out, but it made a real mess.

On the plus side, by the time I got all the oil wiped up, the engine area was pretty spotless. Hot oil does a good job loosening up gritty dirt in all the nooks and crannies. I never did get the blanket of insulation on the underside of the hood clean, though. At least I knew it was me who was to blame for the mess.

After that experience I started putting the oil filler cap right where the hood support strut clips down, so I can't miss it when putting the hood down. I usually also put a red shop rag under the cap to make it even harder to miss. Not an experience I want to repeat.
05-11-2015 01:26 PM
wavsine
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Well…it finally happened. I got burnt getting my oil changed by someone else. I have been having the dealer do it since new (8 times so far) as I paid $400 for lifetime changes, rotations, and inspections. Also get car washes and loaners. For me, it was a deal with the mileage I drive. I used to always do all my own up until the last few years as time has gotten precious. I always would open the hood before I drove off to check and make sure nothing was out of place, the lower felt cover was on, and the wheels weren’t scuffed up. This last time, I was in a hurry to get my son to baseball practice. I pulled up to practice and got out; I could smell oil burning. I figured it was a small spill that can happen but upon opening the hood, saw that they left the filler cap off (it was sitting on the front plastic piece covering the radiator). Sprayed oil all over. I lost it b/c I keep my motor clean. I had only driven a few miles and the level was still at full on the dip stick. After I calmed down, I called the service dept. and dropped it off the next day to clean up the motor and make sure there were no issues; obviously, they gave me a rental for the day and took care of it – I didn’t freak out on her…it wasn’t her fault. Just a word of warning, ALWAYS pop the hood and check b/c people make mistakes and I imagine the techs doing oil changes all day at the Quick Lane can be over a lower quality than the master techs in the regular service area. Will continue to take it there but will be more diligent (even when in a hurry!) of popping that hood and putting my eyes on things under there to make sure its ok before driving off.
Nobody will ever take as good of care of your car as you do.

I had a friend who was a top BMW tech at a major dealership. The guy that normally did oil changes was gone that day and he was assigned to do it. He drained the oil and replaced the drain plug but got called over to do a consult on another vehicle. You guessed it, he sent the car out with an empty crankcase.

There are worse scenarios than forgetting to replace the filler cap but I agree, it can really make a mess.
05-11-2015 12:26 PM
Tigeo Well…it finally happened. I got burnt getting my oil changed by someone else. I have been having the dealer do it since new (8 times so far) as I paid $400 for lifetime changes, rotations, and inspections. Also get car washes and loaners. For me, it was a deal with the mileage I drive. I used to always do all my own up until the last few years as time has gotten precious. I always would open the hood before I drove off to check and make sure nothing was out of place, the lower felt cover was on, and the wheels weren’t scuffed up. This last time, I was in a hurry to get my son to baseball practice. I pulled up to practice and got out; I could smell oil burning. I figured it was a small spill that can happen but upon opening the hood, saw that they left the filler cap off (it was sitting on the front plastic piece covering the radiator). Sprayed oil all over. I lost it b/c I keep my motor clean. I had only driven a few miles and the level was still at full on the dip stick. After I calmed down, I called the service dept. and dropped it off the next day to clean up the motor and make sure there were no issues; obviously, they gave me a rental for the day and took care of it – I didn’t freak out on her…it wasn’t her fault. Just a word of warning, ALWAYS pop the hood and check b/c people make mistakes and I imagine the techs doing oil changes all day at the Quick Lane can be over a lower quality than the master techs in the regular service area. Will continue to take it there but will be more diligent (even when in a hurry!) of popping that hood and putting my eyes on things under there to make sure its ok before driving off.
04-18-2015 02:08 PM
or10r Did my first change today at 1000 miles. Special thanks to the op for posting. Didnt need to figure out what tools to use or what to expect. It was all in the thread and the pics. Much appreciated.
04-17-2015 06:16 PM
Arco-Zakus
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The exploding bit was meant to be a joke. ...
So was my "Gasp!"


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... All that said, is there any good reason not to do it? No. ...
I found one -- it is very easy to overfill it, which makes a real mess. Ooops. It also saves a minute or two to just put it on empty and fill it by cranking the engine without starting it to fill the filter. For all the reasons you explained, that should not cause any harm.

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... I'll try to remember to do it next time, but likely won't because I'm forgetful like that.
I mostly did it out of curiosity this time after reading all the discussion about it in this thread, but will probably use dan50's method next time:

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An alternative is to crank the engine with the accelerator floored after an oil change. The floored accelerator shuts off fuel flow so the engine won't fire, but the oil pump will begin to prime the filter. ...
04-16-2015 05:40 PM
felixthecat Next oc, I'm going w/ RP hps.
04-16-2015 08:43 AM
dan50
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The exploding bit was meant to be a joke. Oil is one of those things that I've always felt there were many "right" ways to do it, but only a couple of truly "wrong" ones.

I didn't pre-load (pre-fill/pre-charge/pre-soak/prime) because it never occurred to me to do it. My Mazda3 is nearly identical (vertical, uses the same filter and oil I put in the Focus) and I haven't had trouble in my ~80k miles...yet

Especially with full synthetic (but even with dino), the additives should ensure plenty of boundary lubrication. Any noise from a "dry" start (which it isn't, really) is likely to be a clatter coming from the top end since there should be plenty of residual lubrication around the crank. But I haven't experienced any noise from my Mazda, and didn't in the Focus, either.

All that said, is there any good reason not to do it? No. Do I think it makes any significant difference whether you do or don't? No. I'll try to remember to do it next time, but likely won't because I'm forgetful like that.
An alternative is to crank the engine with the accelerator floored after an oil change. The floored accelerator shuts off fuel flow so the engine won't fire, but the oil pump will begin to prime the filter.

At the end of the day, probably 99% of all oil changes are followed by a start with a completely empty oil filter. Doesn't seem to make much of a difference in engine longevity.
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