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10-19-2012 03:07 PM
Linchpin
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Originally Posted by Lscman View Post
Everyone doesn't want AWD, but a Subaru owner may not realize that. Mercedes and BMW both offer AWD as an option because many buyers prefer world-class RWD handling. Audi's understeer like a pig when pushed hard, just like a cheaper Mitsubishi. Handling is quite primitive; no reputable independent test report ever suggested they handle like a world class sedan. Their reliability statistics have been well below average over the last two decades. Dodge is about the only marque that consistently rated lower for owner-reported troubles. Chrysler surely isn't charging $40K for a midsize car with a normally-aspirated V6 motor, so they have an excuse. Audi's pedestrian offerings and sister VW variants can best be described as unreliable, inefficient, costly and average performers.
I agree that Audi's were pigs until very recently. The last time I checked electrical issues in Mercedes were legendary. Service costs for a Merc approach the price of a Fiesta.

My wife and I owned 2 German cars. One was a used VW Golf Cabrio. The other was a brand new high end Jetta. The electrical problems were so bad we finally ditched the Jetta at a loss. Same deal with the Golf. I used to pray before I turned the ignition key. The dealer kept insisting that the problems with the Jetta were our fault because we didn't drive it right. DCT issues pale in comparison to the problems we had with our German cars
10-19-2012 02:46 PM
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........In my opinion Audi is by the far the best German car. ......
Everyone doesn't want AWD, but a Subaru owner may not realize that. Mercedes and BMW both offer AWD as an option because many buyers prefer world-class RWD handling. Audi's understeer like a pig when pushed hard, just like a cheaper Mitsubishi. Handling is quite primitive; no reputable independent test report ever suggested they handle like a world class sedan. Their reliability statistics have been well below average over the last two decades. Dodge is about the only marque that consistently rated lower for owner-reported troubles. Chrysler surely isn't charging $40K for a midsize car with a normally-aspirated V6 motor, so they have an excuse. Audi's pedestrian offerings and sister VW variants can best be described as unreliable, inefficient, costly and average performers.
10-19-2012 02:08 PM
Lscman
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I voted Toyota. I hate they are in NASCAR. I hate the Prius and every that owns and drives one. I hate they aren't still making the supra. And also. Can I vote more than once?
Who in the heck wants a 3800 lb 2 dr pig with undersized brakes for performance use? They're in Crown Vic weight class while offering impractical cramped interior. Maybe somebody who likes heavy ponycars would be attracted to this asian offering, except they were super expensive so the bang for buck argument for ownership no longer applies. My desire for a performance car with fundamental shortcomings comes to an abrupt end when it's list price approaches the cost of a genuine sports car such as a Vette. If you want a modified vehicle to accelerate hard in a straight line, you'd be better off with a Mustang or Chevy S-10 pickup with built motor. Either will run 8's far more cheaply and reliably.

Legit sports cars like Corvette handle, stop, accelerate and turn well which makes them impressively fast and fun on a sports car track or similar road course. The Supra in stock form can't do anything particularly well. I've seen 800HP Supras get eaten alive on a road track by 300HP M3's and Neon's. The excess weight introduces fundamental limitations wrt handling, braking and turning even in highly modified form. The tires are overworked, no matter what size. Induction and exhaust mods can only improve acceleration for attracting police and juveniles at the stoplight.
10-18-2012 09:18 AM
Linchpin
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Originally Posted by Kevastator View Post
BMW - they just don't have any character
Chevrolet - the Volt cancels out any good car they have ever made
Mercedes too - just kind of bland... Nice cars, but still bland
Honda - reliable as heck, but they haven't made all around good cars in a long long time
Fisker - even without getting into politics with the DOE loans, Fisker just makes bad cars. Hopefully they can remedy that soon
Good call. I see the love affair with German cars coming to an end, at least in North America, in the not too distant future. BMW is 'so yesterday' and Mercedes is all over the map with design and features. In my opinion Audi is by the far the best German car. My wife and I owned a string of Hondas and Subarus. But in terms of Asian cars Hyundai is king. If Ford stays the course there will be a lot of Fords in our future.
10-18-2012 02:53 AM
Kevastator BMW - they just don't have any character
Chevrolet - the Volt cancels out any good car they have ever made
Mercedes too - just kind of bland... Nice cars, but still bland
Honda - reliable as heck, but they haven't made all around good cars in a long long time
Fisker - even without getting into politics with the DOE loans, Fisker just makes bad cars. Hopefully they can remedy that soon
10-17-2012 10:42 PM
memphiscbrider I voted Toyota. I hate they are in NASCAR. I hate the Prius and every that owns and drives one. I hate they aren't still making the supra. And also. Can I vote more than once?
10-15-2012 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by p0sitivevibez View Post
Acura, BMW Lexus. Because of the demographic that tend to drive them. Yuppies too good to use turn signals or drive like rational considerate people.

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There is no question in my mind that car brands are demographic specific. Narcissists tend to drive the brands you mention and German brands in particular. Here is an interesting personality 'Test' you can try. The next time you see one of the brands mentioned in your rear view mirror when driving on a multi lane highway or freeway change to the right hand lane and maintain your speed. Nine times out of ten the car that was behind you will accelerate past you even if you are going well over the speed limit. Narcissists tend to believe that German and Japanese luxury cars are superior to anything else on the road. That may have been true at one time. But not today.
10-13-2012 02:37 AM
Fattie chrysler,dodge,jeep. complete junk
10-12-2012 09:31 PM
hard aground All of my top choices aren't on the list....... VW, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, audi and yugo.
10-10-2012 04:30 PM
Focusblackzx5 Toyota...sell the same crap since 10 years and now -- 7.3M recals
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