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09-17-2012 06:08 PM
2000blackzx3
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Originally Posted by ecugrad View Post
What are the details on your car? Springs/Shocks/Swaybars if you don't mind sharing.

I think there is ZERO chance of them softening the STF PAX or adding ANOTHER ST* class for FWD cars.
With Hollis' 88th place finish at the Nationals, he's right where he used to be when he was winning his class in a Civic, so I don't see Rick Ruth still thinking about softening STF.

My car has FK Highsport coilover springs/housings, with rear Koni Yellows and front Koni inserts that were made for FK Konigsports. Spring rates are supposed to be 400 lb/in front and 350 rear, which is why I'm keeping those FKs. I may consider revalving the front Koni's for next year (anything under 3/4 max rebound damping seems a little too soft to control those springs).

Other details :
Dunlop Star Specs in 215/40/17, on 17x7 Team Dynamics Pro Race 1.2
Front K-Mac plates
Rear adjustable toe arms
Rear adjustable camber arms
Stock front sway bar (did try a 22mm but I felt I was loosing some inner wheel traction)
24mm rear bar
Front control arm poly bushings
Camber around -2.5deg all around
Front caster at 4 deg
09-17-2012 09:53 AM
ecugrad
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Originally Posted by 2000blackzx3 View Post
Lowering the STF PAX doesn't make any sense... tracking Andy's results at Nationals is not the only baseline that should be followed. IMO there are better contenders than the Mazda2 in this class and it would be fun to see what Andy could do on another car...

Locally some people are yelling that STF is too soft, with my SVT being almost non-reachable in Street Touring, even by some well-prepped STX JCWs and last year's STR winner. I have PAXed top 3 overall out of between 60-100 drivers at almost all of 2 local championship events this year (around 10 events). I'm on my way to winning both Street Touring championships, maybe winning a club overall championship (with some luck, real position would have been 2nd), and ending 2nd overall in the other organization. I also won the ASN Canadian Autoslalom Championship by 0,5 secs in front of a crazy SM GC Subaru, a DS Type R with awesome drivers and a nice STR Miata.

Anyhow, I know that I wouldn't cut a top 20% at National level, with a fast DS JCW on Hoosiers PAXing within a sec in front of me and classing top 30 at Devens NE National event. This being said, maybe the STF index is not too far off... but should'nt be lowered.

If they lower the index to make the 2 more competitive, it could be considered to re-class some cars and keep ONLY the very low-powered FWDs in STF, and have a separate class for higher-powered non-LSD cars at maybe something between 0.800 and 0.810. Two fast drivers are running a 2002-gen Spec-V and a 2007 Civic Si locally and are always within 0,5 sec (in front or behind me), but STF PAX kills them. Only advantage with their cars IMO is the LSD, and they should'nt get a 0.030 higher PAX in STX. Usually I run the same raw times as prepped Coopers S's and new FR-S with good drivers on RS3s, 1.5 sec behind prepped John Cooper Works and within 2.5 sec of STU STI's.

With this increasing number of ST classes, I think that it could also be logical to re-organize them with the same structure as stock classes. Just sort all existing cars in A-B-C...-H street touring classes...

On my side I will be considering FSP next year if STF is made even softer, Street Touring competition would become hard to find... At some point leading your class and almost overall PAX, sometimes with runs with small mistakes that you know could have been better, is not more fun than fighting for a podium...

Oh, and that no-class-hopping rule this year is detracting... why not let play cars without OEM LSDs in STX if they want to? FSP is now the only option with a Quaife/Torsen in the SVT. We now have to choose to be over-competitive in STF or not even close to a contender in FSP.

Here's a video of my run at one of my last events :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJh5i...=ULMJh5iEcn3KI
What are the details on your car? Springs/Shocks/Swaybars if you don't mind sharing.

I think there is ZERO chance of them softening the STF PAX or adding ANOTHER ST* class for FWD cars.
09-16-2012 10:34 PM
2000blackzx3 Congrats to Bill for his 150th place / 1115 at Lincoln!
09-16-2012 11:23 AM
2000blackzx3 Lowering the STF PAX doesn't make any sense... tracking Andy's results at Nationals is not the only baseline that should be followed. IMO there are better contenders than the Mazda2 in this class and it would be fun to see what Andy could do on another car...

Locally some people are yelling that STF is too soft, with my SVT being almost non-reachable in Street Touring, even by some well-prepped STX JCWs and last year's STR winner. I have PAXed top 3 overall out of between 60-100 drivers at almost all of 2 local championship events this year (around 10 events). I'm on my way to winning both Street Touring championships, maybe winning a club overall championship (with some luck, real position would have been 2nd), and ending 2nd overall in the other organization. I also won the ASN Canadian Autoslalom Championship by 0,5 secs in front of a crazy SM GC Subaru, a DS Type R with awesome drivers and a nice STR Miata.

Anyhow, I know that I wouldn't cut a top 20% at National level, with a fast DS JCW on Hoosiers PAXing within a sec in front of me and classing top 30 at Devens NE National event. This being said, maybe the STF index is not too far off... but should'nt be lowered.

If they lower the index to make the 2 more competitive, it could be considered to re-class some cars and keep ONLY the very low-powered FWDs in STF, and have a separate class for higher-powered non-LSD cars at maybe something between 0.800 and 0.810. Two fast drivers are running a 2002-gen Spec-V and a 2007 Civic Si locally and are always within 0,5 sec (in front or behind me), but STF PAX kills them. Only advantage with their cars IMO is the LSD, and they should'nt get a 0.030 higher PAX in STX. Usually I run the same raw times as prepped Coopers S's and new FR-S with good drivers on RS3s, 1.5 sec behind prepped John Cooper Works and within 2.5 sec of STU STI's.

With this increasing number of ST classes, I think that it could also be logical to re-organize them with the same structure as stock classes. Just sort all existing cars in A-B-C...-H street touring classes...

On my side I will be considering FSP next year if STF is made even softer, Street Touring competition would become hard to find... At some point leading your class and almost overall PAX, sometimes with runs with small mistakes that you know could have been better, is not more fun than fighting for a podium...

Oh, and that no-class-hopping rule this year is detracting... why not let play cars without OEM LSDs in STX if they want to? FSP is now the only option with a Quaife/Torsen in the SVT. We now have to choose to be over-competitive in STF or not even close to a contender in FSP.

Here's a video of my run at one of my last events :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJh5i...=ULMJh5iEcn3KI
07-31-2012 10:38 PM
Zewerr I see changing my car from H-stock to STF will only make my car faster. But if they do decide to lower it, fine by me. I'll just dominate all my PAX classes next year.
07-31-2012 11:41 AM
GodLovesUgly hmmm.. May need to pick up another SVT or better yet.. a 2.3 durahatch.
that would be super soft..
07-30-2012 03:26 PM
fighing2succeed Copied from our local autox forum. Discuss. I for one think the pax should be atleast .800

From the desk of Mr. PAX, Rick Ruth:
My calculator and I have been following Andy Hollis (the other alien, Brian) around the country in STF. I've been paying attention to not only the competition he has (or does not have) in STF, but also the relevant competition in the related H Stock Open classes. Weight was given to any Minidrivers who were still or did previously run (and especially trophy) in the last SCCA Nationals in H Stock in these comparisons.From my desk, what I think I'm seeing, is that Andy's Mazda2 is NOT covering the "spread" of the .794 STF Pax Factor. In other words, it appears to me that it may indeed be too stiff, and may need to be lowered (like .788) next year to be statistically relevant.
07-11-2012 03:24 PM
GodLovesUgly I run the R1R 195/50/15 on my Miata, and it is an outstanding tire, and stays that way until they cord. You're right about the compound changing on the bigger tires, but they absolutely do not suck... they are still very nice tires, just not as nice as the "secret" compound. Personally i think the tire will be a perfect fit for the SVT (225/45/16 r1r) i can't wait until someone tries it out.
07-11-2012 12:52 PM
ecugrad
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Originally Posted by Zewerr View Post
tukaniSVT, You run 225/50R16 RS3's currently in STF, correct? I see that Toyo's just came out with a 225/45R16 R1R. Any thoughts about running these to improve the SVT's gearing? I'm thinking that this is probably the way to go.
I'd advise against any other R1R except for the 195/50/15. Supposedly the other sizes suck once the tire gets close to half depth or so, compound gets harder.
07-11-2012 09:24 AM
Zewerr tukaniSVT, You run 225/50R16 RS3's currently in STF, correct? I see that Toyo's just came out with a 225/45R16 R1R. Any thoughts about running these to improve the SVT's gearing? I'm thinking that this is probably the way to go.
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