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Today 06:27 PM
1turbofocus
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Originally Posted by Fabio0716 View Post
This ^^^ Ford made the problem worse by dismissing those who had actual problems and publicly denying any problems while secretly putting out TSB's. They failed to properly educate future owners of the transmission and of course people were frightened and caught by surprise. When I purchased my 2015 no one at the dealership informed me of the DCT, they didn't even mention it.
I get it but come on , It isnt the dealers job to do your due diligence or to educate you on the vehicle your looking to buy , Its the dealers job to sell you the car you want/chose

Secretly butting out TSB ? I knew about them all , I got letters , some got emails , all you have to do is look daily to see if there is a TSB for your Ford or ask any dealer

Tom
Today 05:57 PM
1turbofocus
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Originally Posted by charlie g View Post
then why do the wet clutch units work better and have less problems while the car makers using the dry disc unit have problems. ford. dodge. hyundai to name a few. do have.
dry clutches even in a normal stick trans have never been able to take being slid repeatedly with out burning up from the heat,
If the wet clutches didnt have proper software to make them work right what would happen ? YEP same thing thats happening to the dry clutches

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Originally Posted by charlie g View Post
are there programing issues? with out doubt! , the re-flashing has been over done in a few ways, people standing still at a light or stop sign step on the gas to move, bang, stop car let trans cool, trans over heating, cars dropping into no power fail safe.
You keep coming up with something new , those are VERY RARE occurrences for the over heat to happen very rare

Your spreading misinformation because you dont know what your talking about , Your pissed I get it !

Tom
Today 05:48 PM
Fabio0716
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Originally Posted by sailor View Post
Getrag & others knew from the start that dry clutch units were more limited in application and more sensitive to operating conditions than wet clutch types. It's published data direct from them.

Trade off at the time was even larger than it is now, dry clutch gave better fuel economy and was cheaper to produce. Improved wet clutch units have less MPG penalty, still more expensive than dry ones.

Fortunately people seem to be learning more about the operation of them, it's been a while since hearing from someone with problems like you describe at a stop. A few years back it was much more common to get complaints from folks who wanted to hold their cars at a stop on a hill with the transmission as they'd done with other automatics - even though it's not "good" for those either.
This ^^^ Ford made the problem worse by dismissing those who had actual problems and publicly denying any problems while secretly putting out TSB's. They failed to properly educate future owners of the transmission and of course people were frightened and caught by surprise. When I purchased my 2015 no one at the dealership informed me of the DCT, they didn't even mention it.

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Today 05:43 PM
sailor Getrag & others knew from the start that dry clutch units were more limited in application and more sensitive to operating conditions than wet clutch types. It's published data direct from them.

Trade off at the time was even larger than it is now, dry clutch gave better fuel economy and was cheaper to produce. Improved wet clutch units have less MPG penalty, still more expensive than dry ones.

Fortunately people seem to be learning more about the operation of them, it's been a while since hearing from someone with problems like you describe at a stop. A few years back it was much more common to get complaints from folks who wanted to hold their cars at a stop on a hill with the transmission as they'd done with other automatics - even though it's not "good" for those either.
Today 05:37 PM
Fabio0716
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Originally Posted by charlie g View Post
then why do the wet clutch units work better and have less problems while the car makers using the dry disc unit have problems. ford. dodge. hyundai to name a few. do have.
dry clutches even in a normal stick trans have never been able to take being slid repeatedly with out burning up from the heat,

are there programing issues? with out doubt! , the re-flashing has been over done in a few ways, people standing still at a light or stop sign step on the gas to move, bang, stop car let trans cool, trans over heating, cars dropping into no power fail safe.
Bad programming causes incorrect internal operation which will cause parts to fail sooner or later.

To Tom : Ford has had years to narrow down physical problems in the DCT which it did. Clutch revisions and seal revisions. Yet the transmissions still fail for certain people. If your were to follow proper troubleshooting procedure and have eliminated physical problems then you start looking at software related problems, the TCM to be exact. Not shift points or shift times but actual programming/code errors. Ford probably knows this but gives two shits.

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Today 05:29 PM
charlie g
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Originally Posted by 1turbofocus View Post
Your still blaming the design and it isnt the design thats the issue , the DCT Ford Focus trans in my opinion is a great design Ford just needs to do more with the software running it
Tom
then why do the wet clutch units work better and have less problems while the car makers using the dry disc unit have problems. ford. dodge. hyundai to name a few. do have.
dry clutches even in a normal stick trans have never been able to take being slid repeatedly with out burning up from the heat,

are there programing issues? with out doubt! , the re-flashing has been over done in a few ways, people standing still at a light or stop sign step on the gas to move, bang, stop car let trans cool, trans over heating, cars dropping into no power fail safe.
Today 05:24 PM
Fabio0716
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Originally Posted by 1turbofocus View Post
What inherent design flaws ? Other then faulty seals and TCM units


Not sure what you mean here ?



This I dont understand at all " slow it down " whats lightning fast to you , the DCT can shift in 6/10`s of a second not sure where the slow part is , If I turn off some of the TQ reductions it can shift in 3/10`s of a second but doesnt like it much because the TQ reduction does other things as well , theoretically thats 3 shifts in a second if a human go think and work the shifter that fast , I feel thats lightning fast

Physical the same as a ATX no , I could blind fold you , take you from say a 2010 with ATX then to a 2012 with your feeling the shifts and you couldnt tell me the difference if the Focus had my tune and a good bit I have road in that dont have my tune feel like a ATX

I like the DCT , I own 3 of them , I think it is a great idea that they didnt spend enough time on the software and programming ,

The seals were made wrong , big screw up but fixed , the TCM after opening one another big screw up that can be fixed if they will do it , same as with the DCT software , it can be fixed I have proven that with over 245 satisfied shudder free customers and 5 that have some shudder and 2 it didnt help the shudder at all ,

Tom
Inherent design quirks not flaws or defects per say, as in slow speed clunkiness and grinding noises, etc... The DCT by General design itself has certain behaviors that frighten many people but in many cases is normal. It's a computer controlled manual transmission and it's going to be prone to weird behaviors. The DCT is Fast by inherent design compared to other transmissions but the way ford programmed it makes it feel like a slushbox like my 2015 feels at times. Like you said it can be made faster.

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Today 05:15 PM
Arco-Zakus
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Originally Posted by 1turbofocus View Post
... I like the DCT , I own 3 of them , I think it is a great idea that they didnt spend enough time on the software and programming ...

Tom
Or maybe they spent too much time with the wrong people working on the software. They should hire you as a consultant for big bucks to save themselves a lot of money by getting a solution sooner. (Probably had all their best people working on the Ford GT @ LeMans project.)
Today 04:11 PM
1turbofocus
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Originally Posted by Fabio0716 View Post
Most people also exaggerate their problems. They either aren't knowledgeable on the operation of a Dry dual clutch transmission and it's inherent design problems/quirks
What inherent design flaws ? Other then faulty seals and TCM units

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Originally Posted by Fabio0716 View Post
It truly is a software problem. For you to think that a HUGE auto manufacturer has not resolved any physical problems with the transmission is kind of far fetched
Not sure what you mean here ?

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Originally Posted by Fabio0716 View Post
Fords mistake was to take this lighting fast transmission and slow it down so that it shifts softly and feels almost non existent. They grabbed a performance transmission and PROGRAMMED it to act like your conventional automatic when it isn't even close to being physically the same. The programming is what is killing the clutches and seals.
This I dont understand at all " slow it down " whats lightning fast to you , the DCT can shift in 6/10`s of a second not sure where the slow part is , If I turn off some of the TQ reductions it can shift in 3/10`s of a second but doesnt like it much because the TQ reduction does other things as well , theoretically thats 3 shifts in a second if a human go think and work the shifter that fast , I feel thats lightning fast

Physical the same as a ATX no , I could blind fold you , take you from say a 2010 with ATX then to a 2012 with your feeling the shifts and you couldnt tell me the difference if the Focus had my tune and a good bit I have road in that dont have my tune feel like a ATX

I like the DCT , I own 3 of them , I think it is a great idea that they didnt spend enough time on the software and programming ,

The seals were made wrong , big screw up but fixed , the TCM after opening one another big screw up that can be fixed if they will do it , same as with the DCT software , it can be fixed I have proven that with over 245 satisfied shudder free customers and 5 that have some shudder and 2 it didnt help the shudder at all ,

Tom
Today 03:32 PM
Fabio0716
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Originally Posted by 1turbofocus View Post
Your still blaming the design and it isnt the design thats the issue , the DCT Ford Focus trans in my opinion is a great design Ford just needs to do more with the software running it
Tom
Most people also exaggerate their problems. They either aren't knowledgeable on the operation of a Dry dual clutch transmission and it's inherent design problems/quirks or they start reading up on DCT problems and start freaking out about every little noise or clunk it has. Even when their DCT might not have any problems and clutter the dealerships causing these long wait times. It truly is a software problem. For you to think that a HUGE auto manufacturer has not resolved any physical problems with the transmission is kind of far fetched ,they've had since 2012 to at least resolve major issues. Fords mistake was to take this lighting fast transmission and slow it down so that it shifts softly and feels almost non existent. They grabbed a performance transmission and PROGRAMMED it to act like your conventional automatic when it isn't even close to being physically the same. The programming is what is killing the clutches and seals.

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