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05-11-2017 06:48 AM
MK3 ST3 Hopefully that $100 part wasn't a new "power pack" which is what the motor + ECU is called. It looks like its removable from the gear (as it's attached by three bolts), but if you remove it and replace it getting the belt to be the correct tension is nearly impossible. You might get it to work, but you will eventually shred the belt if it is not tensioned correctly.

This is why it's prohibited by service to replace only the power packs, as there is no way to re-tension the belt once the gear has left the supplier facility (in their facility they have a hole, which you can see capped off on the gear) that they use an expensive machine to measure tension on the belt. Once that hole is plugged, it cannot be unplugged (to prevent water intrusion) and therefore you can't re-tension the belt.

Please be cautious in this regard.
05-11-2017 06:03 AM
DragonBreath
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Originally Posted by crawl234 View Post
I had the same issue, warning steering assist failure. Pull the car over, turn the car off open the door to make sure that it completely turned off. It worked about 15 times over the years, and I work 6 days a week, so I did not have time to deal with the dealership . The power steering finally went out completely. I take it to ford, they told me there was nothing they could do because my extended warranty ran out at 100,000 miles. I had just gotten to 130,000 miles and had been fighting the car the whole time. So, they called me said it would be $1600 for just the part and that there was only one available in the us, so it would take some time to get the part in. I was not offered a rental, because none were available. Thanks to all my friends, I was able to get a ride to work and then back to the dealership. When the service manager called, and asked me what to do with my car, I told him to put it in the parking lot and that I would pick it up later. I was told that it was hard to steer the car, my only reply was that I'll pick it up later. I found the unable part online for $100 and installed it myself on the ground in my garage on a 100 degree day. It took me 9 hours because I'm not a Ford mechanic, but it is working better than day I purchased the car, I can turn it with my pinkie finger while stoped. I am so disappointed by Ford, shame on you. Your sales guys even tried to sell me another one while I was there, said I could trade it in on an new one. I just left.
What was the 100$ part?
05-09-2017 06:27 AM
MK3 ST3 Check your boots, most likely you have one cut which allowed water intrusion. The water intrusion can rust parts and can create a noise similar to grinding.

There is no really good way to detect that with software or a sensor, since it's a mechanical failure. But unfortunately the only solution is a gear replacement as the current one is damaged due to the water.

This is not unique to EPAS systems, but rather happens on all rack an pinion systems.

Also, higher efforts aren't unsafe, and I understand people who aren't used to them think they are but it's only because we are used to driving with hydraulic and electric assist. The system works fine with hand over hand in manual mode. Efforts decrease as speed increases (because the load to steer the vehicle changes as tire friction is reduced). So the effort required to turn the vehicle at parking isn't indicative of the effort to turn it at speed.

Understand if you're not comfortable with driving the car, and I'd get it fixed. But to call it unsafe isn't correct. Just my opinion.
05-08-2017 03:28 PM
Dwain77
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Originally Posted by Dwain77 View Post
Along with the transmission/clutch issues I'm now also having issues with my steering very suddenly. I have a 2014 Focus with under 30,000 miles...but 1 month out of warranty. My wife drove to the store on Saturday night and mentioned it seemed a little harder to steer than usual. By the time she got home, less than 10 minutes away, she said it sounded like it was grinding.

On Sunday I got in the car to drive around the block and possibly take it to the dealer to be diagnosed. The grinding is like metal to metal, maybe stripping gears...it sounds horrible. Only a block or two from my home I was nearly unable to turn right at all. It's not a failure of the assisted power steering so much as it's binding up and not allowing the wheel to turn. I made a left hand turn and was nearly unable to turn the wheel back to the right. I had to grip and pull down repeatedly to get the wheel reasonably straight again. Each tug would grind, click, pop...whatever until the wheels were where I wanted them. I immediately parked it back at my house.

This occurred with nothing leading up to the failure, no dash lights, nothing to cause concern ahead of time. It went from normal to locked up in less than 20 minutes. I generally don't buy new cars but made it a point to get this one for the safety of my wife and children. Had my wife went to a store further away, on the highway, it would have for sure caused an accident at the very least. It honestly scares the crap out of me thinking that this could have killed my wife, kids and me had it not failed when it did.

Not that Ford cares, but I've only EVER owned Ford vehicles. I actually own 3 Fords now. I know things happen, parts fail, nothing is perfect but this is beyond acceptable. Ford knows of the issues with the transmission and now a potentially life threatening failure and they aren't being up front and dealing with it. That's more unacceptable than the issues to begin with. I assume they aren't going to care this happened now that my warranty just expired, but I'll reach out anyway. UGH
Small update - I didn't realize the roadside coverage is actually for 5 years. So even though my warranty is up I can still use roadside for the tow to the dealership. However if I don't want them to fix it for somewhere between $1500 - $2000 then I'll be responsible for getting it back to my house.

Since I'm not under warranty does anyone know about how much it will cost for the initial diagnostics?
05-08-2017 10:35 AM
Dwain77 Along with the transmission/clutch issues I'm now also having issues with my steering very suddenly. I have a 2014 Focus with under 30,000 miles...but 1 month out of warranty. My wife drove to the store on Saturday night and mentioned it seemed a little harder to steer than usual. By the time she got home, less than 10 minutes away, she said it sounded like it was grinding.

On Sunday I got in the car to drive around the block and possibly take it to the dealer to be diagnosed. The grinding is like metal to metal, maybe stripping gears...it sounds horrible. Only a block or two from my home I was nearly unable to turn right at all. It's not a failure of the assisted power steering so much as it's binding up and not allowing the wheel to turn. I made a left hand turn and was nearly unable to turn the wheel back to the right. I had to grip and pull down repeatedly to get the wheel reasonably straight again. Each tug would grind, click, pop...whatever until the wheels were where I wanted them. I immediately parked it back at my house.

This occurred with nothing leading up to the failure, no dash lights, nothing to cause concern ahead of time. It went from normal to locked up in less than 20 minutes. I generally don't buy new cars but made it a point to get this one for the safety of my wife and children. Had my wife went to a store further away, on the highway, it would have for sure caused an accident at the very least. It honestly scares the crap out of me thinking that this could have killed my wife, kids and me had it not failed when it did.

Not that Ford cares, but I've only EVER owned Ford vehicles. I actually own 3 Fords now. I know things happen, parts fail, nothing is perfect but this is beyond acceptable. Ford knows of the issues with the transmission and now a potentially life threatening failure and they aren't being up front and dealing with it. That's more unacceptable than the issues to begin with. I assume they aren't going to care this happened now that my warranty just expired, but I'll reach out anyway. UGH
03-08-2017 05:00 PM
efuehrin Can anyone assist me with the PN needed to fix this issue? Same problem. Electronic PS assist error. Thank you.
01-04-2017 08:17 PM
MK3 ST3 EPS isn't going to go away. However it is a rather new part (first applications were around 2000) design wise.

I would say that systems (from all automakers) are getting better every year. Engineers have a habit of learning things and improving a product over time.

The Focus EPS is actually very similar to the parts in the older CD3 Fusion/Milan/MKZ, the C-Max, the current Escape/MKC, and even the current Taurus, Flex, MKS and Explorer.

Before working at Ford, I was at a supplier and have done steering since 2010 and I can confidently say I have no issue with the safety of any EPS system. I worked on the systems (while at this supplier) in the current Corvette (which I own), the ATS, CTS, and even the current Fusion/MKZ as well as some tangential work on the Dart, Cherokee, and 200.

But that's all just my opinion.
01-02-2017 05:44 AM
lewisra Or the road?
12-31-2016 11:01 AM
SR71Blackbird Just experienced problems with my 2012 Ti automatic with 215 000km.
The wife was driving down a country road around 80km/hr and the steering started to pull to the right, she had to put effort into pulling the wheel back to its orginal position, this happened a total of 3 times over a period of 5 to 10 minutes.
Ive done a visual inspection under the car and everything looks good....this is sounding like the steering rack issue ive been hearing about.


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09-08-2016 02:20 PM
KudzuChris
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Originally Posted by sailor View Post
The only solution is to remove power steering from all cars. They ALL can fail if equipped with any version so if it's that much of a concern you need to find a car without it or one that can be converted to operate without power assist. Conversions won't be easy to park as they weren't designed for such use from the start, but you'll never be surprised by P/S loss.

The fancy electronic systems are now becoming common for fuel savings and the addition of extra features, one of the first steps to self driving cars.

Safety wise they can also have an advantage in NOT giving up if the engine quits, so there's a partial balance there of advantage/disadvantage.

The largest complaint is actually the expense, now that they've been out a while you now have the same option as older systems of sourcing aftermarket parts/rebuilt parts instead of paying Dealer cost for OEM new. Still more expensive than the cheapest older versions, more included in the same part now (no separate pump/reservoir/lines etc. for possible repair).

I prefer the older mechanical/hydraulic systems by habit, not liking many electronic aids. Still know it's one tossed serpentine belt or an engine stall away from no power steering at all, even if nothing more serious gives up.

Potential longevity of the new system is an unknown, noticed one posting today with his first mechanical problem (not steering) at 162,000 miles.
The cost is definitely the major thing, and as evidenced by this thread, the longevity of the power steering module on the MK 3 is a huge question mark. I agree that the biggest complaint, like you said, is cost. But also there's the lack of warning by Ford that this is an issue to be aware of and to look out for. Not that I expect most any company out there to own up to a mistake.

Any and every product can fail, I have no misgivings about that. But combined with the other problems that have popped up, and the number of complaints put forth by others, it's hard for me to have faith in this car.

My steering module went out on a 2012 that's at 68,000. I was told by Ford that the new one is guaranteed for two years. Planning on getting rid of this car within that timeframe.

That being said, I have a coworker, who's only had the TCM fix. That's been about the extent of his problems. He's got a '12 also with many more miles on it.
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