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07-09-2010 11:11 AM
Auto-X-ZTS
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Originally Posted by wrc_fan View Post
Sounds like you're getting closer on your ST crusade!

With all the suspension development done, you could take the ZX2 and drop in an ITB breathing Zetec, slap on some 275s and jump to FSP :D
Yeah--we are closer. About as close as any non-Spec Civic that I am aware of save for maybe David Rock's Celica. We are putting a new suspension on in the next few weeks...hopefully that gets us a bit closer too. The car has not felt 'right' at all yet--moderate to very underdamped. We ordered some custom KSport "RR" series coilovers (not the basic Ebay 'Kontrols')...that are dynoed and sprung to our specs.

And, yes--FSP would be the natural evolution. I think it would be an excellent car in that class...but until we get a handle on the handling now...
07-09-2010 10:59 AM
wrc_fan Sounds like you're getting closer on your ST crusade!

With all the suspension development done, you could take the ZX2 and drop in an ITB breathing Zetec, slap on some 275s and jump to FSP :D
07-09-2010 10:33 AM
Juantron Well, looking from a purely PAX viewpoint, you would have to compensate a .06 index difference switching to STX. But the difference in allowable modifications are:
7.5(ST)-8"(STX) wheels
Tires wider than 225
Larger brake rotors and upgraded calipers
HFC
LSD


Sounds like even if you didn't win your class, you should be able to substantially move up in PAX and RAW rankings.
07-09-2010 10:23 AM
GodLovesUgly i've been thinking about this lately..
right now i'm running in ST in my svt (which essentially is STOCK, zts RSB that's it) i'm only running it in ST and not h-stock cause i have the season lead in points for ST.. next year is what i'm really looking forward to.
i have to look in the rules on what is allowed in STX, but is the feeling the same in here? would i be better off building for STX? right now the only cars i know in STX that run most of the time are a mini cooper s, elcipse (not sure what model but it has boost..) and the weekly winner mazda MX-6.. oh and a Saabaru lol.

with this competition is STX still feasible?
07-09-2010 09:55 AM
Juantron
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Originally Posted by Auto-X-ZTS View Post
The results show him beating an ST Civic by .1. *That* is what I have to deal with locally in ST--and that result was the co-driver (Craig M); Jason Frank is usually about .5-.75 faster...and is 2007 National Champ. We also have Pat Washburn in his Civic, who was 2nd in 2009.

That, however, illustrates my point. The fastest STX cars are barely any faster than the fastest ST cars--if at all.


Before I would tackle an STX Focus, I want to "finish" the ST ZX2. We are about 20 events into the car, and are about 1.5-2.0 off of the same Civics mentioned above...I think we have had the car inside of 2 seconds now for the last 4 events here locally.
Point well taken. I think a LSD is worth a lot more than .1 seconds!
07-09-2010 09:40 AM
Auto-X-ZTS
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This is what I have to deal with in STX locally: Cline-Mobile
The results show him beating an ST Civic by .1. *That* is what I have to deal with locally in ST--and that result was the co-driver (Craig M); Jason Frank is usually about .5-.75 faster...and is 2007 National Champ. We also have Pat Washburn in his Civic, who was 2nd in 2009.

That, however, illustrates my point. The fastest STX cars are barely any faster than the fastest ST cars--if at all.


Before I would tackle an STX Focus, I want to "finish" the ST ZX2. We are about 20 events into the car, and are about 1.5-2.0 off of the same Civics mentioned above...I think we have had the car inside of 2 seconds now for the last 4 events here locally.
07-09-2010 09:08 AM
Juantron Novice class is nice, in my club once you win Novice once, you're not allowed to run in it anymore though. I started out in FSP though... :/
07-09-2010 09:00 AM
motorholmes Maybe next year. That looks pretty competitive, and my car still has to be a dd for now. I've been itching to build a FR car, maybe a 325is or a 944.
Either way I think I can beat up on the novice class this season with the car in stock trim. I weighed my car at work yesterday and it's @ 2750 soaking wet.
07-09-2010 08:30 AM
Juantron This is what I have to deal with in STX locally: Cline-Mobile
07-09-2010 08:26 AM
wrc_fan
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Originally Posted by Auto-X-ZTS View Post
Really--instead of ST, the Focus would be a better STX car if you go full-out to the rules.

The LSD and the ability to run wider wheels and tires help a heavy-ish car. I think a fully prepped 2.3 in STX could make some noise...as could a SVT.

The top STX cars are really no faster than the top ST cars Nationally--and there is no doubt that an STX Focus would beat an ST Focus if both were at max-prep...so even if you look at overall/PAX finishes--STX is a better choice.
Erik, I think you need to build a 2.3 focus into an STX car;P
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