|09-25-2015 10:29 PM|
FYI to all who read this later..........
It's not known by many but the available late fuel pump BY ITSELF with NO module will not work in early Focus modules. Somebody here made the mistake of assuming it just drops in.
I had to mod the top cup manifold inside module to rotate it about 10 degrees, create a new method of holding the pump straight and solid, create a non-existent shock absorber for bottom of pump, new top pump rubber since nothing worked, cut top of pump outlet off an exact amount since simply shoving it in blocks the outlet 100%, new strainer where none existed to fit that app, hose clamps in two places where none were before to retain a spacer sleeve to make the OD back right. I probably missed something else as well. The new later pump is smaller and longer and it flat misfits the early module EVERYWHERE you can think of.
Use that late pump in early module and you'll be done in a week or a month when the pump slowly moves out of place to then fall into bottom of module and you will not be getting any fuel at all then. Ask the other guys who have already BTDT, ask them. They found out. I at least looked close to find the issues without having to yank pump again and again. I saved about $70 but way too much work done to make it work, I botched that deal. Still, it runs perfectly.
Go ahead and use the late pump in early module, I dare you.................
|09-24-2015 03:32 PM|
Just to relay to anyone who ever has an issue such as I did on the 2002 Focus SE SOHC
fuel pump assembly replacement. The adapter line that is sent with the pump assembly may or may not be the correct one for your car. I was able to locate the correct one. The adapter line goes from the pump assembly directly to the fuel filter as amc49 had suggested at the very beginning. The line that was sent with my assembly was incorrect and I had to locate the correct one. The female end of adapter line was not compatible with the male end of the fuel filter. The male end of the adapter line was correct for the fuel pump assembly. Thanks to all that attempted to get me through this example of how many different scenarios can happen with the parts that are being manufactured, God knows where !!
|09-24-2015 08:07 AM|
|patdio58||sailor- In no way should you blame yourself for attempting to help my situation. I appreciate "all" those that did.|
|09-24-2015 07:13 AM|
No point dissecting the whole exchange, there have been three posting in an attempt to help with a lot of back & forth.
Just a couple posts back you made an unnecessary post that was quite combative yourself:http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/8994313-post92.html and I can't really see the reason. It talks about things I didn't see mentioned.
That's where it seems the conversation started off course badly.
Maybe I shouldn't have come to the defense with details while trying to cool things off, at the time those details seemed to have added to the misunderstandings.
|09-23-2015 06:39 PM|
sailor- Agreed, things are very hard to determine from a picture sometimes. That is why people should not jump to conclusions about others competentcy in performing a task when they do not have all, or only part of the full information. You will not have to wory about me "casting stones" anymore. Since I am the obvious "ungrateful" benefactor of harsh criticism of my mechanical potential. I will not be returning to this Forum which undoubtebly
have tried to assist my delema. Another has turned me off to it unfortunately. Take care.
|09-23-2015 06:00 PM|
patdio58 - did you know that the early style assemblies have NO replacement fuel pumps avail.? And that MANY have tried to install the later style replacement in them only to have it not work?
You'd THINK it should be an easy fiddle to make a different part fit, but the vast majority find they need a new type assy. when the attempt to replace JUST the pump fails repeatedly.
Easy there, I looked at the link amc posted earlier for a Carter replacement and saw the red part sticking out of an apparent female connector he mentioned. Don't think YOU did or you wouldn't have questioned the confusion on that alone. (might be a shipping seal in MY opinion that wasn't removed for the picture - can't see it close enough)
No need to Stow Thrones when folks TRY to figure an issue and help out. Some guesses will be good or bad, "can't see/feel/inspect it from here" makes it difficult.
|09-23-2015 05:36 PM|
|patdio58||Wow, I am really impressed with you ! You show how really talented you are by changing the fuel pump only ? As opposed to changing the entire assembly ? Not really an automotive genius. I really do not think I would be alone in that assumption !!|
|09-23-2015 03:30 PM|
My friend, I can go through those pumps and hookups blindfolded once I have the parts in front of me. I as well outfitted cars with fuel lines and fixes at the parts store by the..........let's just say way more than you. Been doing that kind of stuff for more than 45 years and I have learned they change things up every 20 minutes or so. Still it makes no difference to me as I will understand it almost instantly even if I've never seen it before.
Nobody as well ever said there were more than one outlet on the top, at least not me. I did my '02 as well just a short time back but I only spent $35 for new pump and it's been running perfect. It went together as far as the lines go instantly. Let me know when you get there.
The confused part? I was only quoting what YOU said (first you say the filter connector is male then you say it's female among other things), I'm not confused in the least and as far as manufacturers being 'right' all I can say is when the reps came into the parts store I could easily tie them up in knots as well since most do not have a clue.
Confused? Look at the last word you posted, it's supposed to be AREN'T not ARE. You can't even get mad right. I rest my case and will leave you alone.
|09-23-2015 02:31 PM|
|patdio58||amc-the more I read of your last message the more I can tell how confused and wrong you are. I have only one outlet on top of fuel pump assembly. No return. Some pumps actually have 3 male outlets. I have 1 female outlet. You also are assuming the larfe flange furthest back on the line to thd fuel filter is supposed to be inside the female connection. That flange aots up against the face of the female connection. As it did previously. The first plastic ring is what secures it in place. So before you start making accusations that are incorrect, yry making absolutely sure you are correct first. Because in this case you ARE!!|
|09-23-2015 10:20 AM|
|patdio58||amc- Just talked to the tech department for the manufacturer and they are sending a different adater tube that will accept the existing male ens of line from pump to filter. The male end of adapter tube is the same as the one I currently have. With the proper placement of all O rings as I have it currently installed. The female end with white clip is a different design to accept the existing line with flange that goes to fuel filter.|
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