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05-15-2013 06:32 PM
84Camaro_L69 I agree. Quirks and all, I still love the car. Good power and awesome handling in the country and in traffic. It's the perfect fun car/sleeper.
05-15-2013 02:26 AM
PandT
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Originally Posted by oritpro View Post
Apples attitude is crap, but they do make decent products. I simply refuse to pay to play inside their walled garden.

To each their own.
^^^^^ This.

[RANT]

I have nothing against Apple personally but their 'Walled garden' offends me. Everyone talks dirt about MS and their tactics but Apple always gets a pass with their entire lineup being DRM'ed to the exclusion of all others. I refuse to play with a single source supplier no matter how good they think they are even though I like many of their products, I refuse to buy them since they would have defacto control over them by dictating what I can and can't do with something that I paid for.

I have both Nav and the DCT

I have MFT issues. I can't get a playlist to work from WMP no matter what I try. I use a 64GB USB drive and when I reformat the thing MFT treats it like some kind of untrusted leper, it will re-index and build the voice commands several times over about two days and then it trusts it enough to just work. I am using mostly WMA loosless with a mix of some MP3's downloaded from Amazon, most of the cover art is fine but some don't work, why you ask, well there doesn't seem to be any way to tell since I can't find any Ford approved specs for anything. The USB ports, we know they are ver. 2 but does it actually say that anywhere, I don't know but I haven't found it yet. Supported formats, what are they actually, we only find out after we try to use it to see if it works.

Are there any specs on file formats, directory structure, supported album art info (Please extend as far as you please) - NO. There is not a single player for home or car that does not publish this info on the box or website advertising it proudly. I suspect they don't publish it because they don't want to actually support it or be liable for it not working.

Bluetooth?, Please, spare me... Almost all discussions revolve around the Bluetooth "Implementation" on someones phone, if the protocol sucks (Not Standard) then why did they choose it to begin with, never mind, I'll tell you, it's cheap and on every phone. It just doesn't work with MFT because Fords implementation of bluetooth (Called the stack I believe) isn't worth the time it took me to write this rant. Not that I care, I'm bored anyway and my phone is ancient but I can see incoming texts - ONCE - then they disappear into some kind of bit bucket in the ether.

Why not Wi-Fi ??? It's secure, it works and it's fast, not only that but IT IS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED, it just doesn't work like any $99.00 router from Walmart since you cant use a secure password that contains certain characters meaning, they don't care about it, it's a talking point without use in the real world.

About the DCT, I have about 2200 on the car now (Picked up Feb 28th).
First, I can live with it. I just don't understand why Ford chose this particular behavior.

There is no consistency because it is always leaning. Since my driving style changes like my wife's mood swings it never seems to understand what I want from it like a purely mechanical auto would or even a system that SLOWLY adapted. It tries to be all things at all times and fails miserably to do any one thing good (at first, see below). I drive the wife around and it is cranky. Shifting 1st through 3rd with no idea of what gear it should be in or how it should shift, sometimes it gets undecided and decides to wait until it knows what to do, hard shift. Sometimes it goes the exact opposite and decides that the actual pedal position couldn't possibly be what I really want and it lugs, forcing me to press at least 3/4 just to get it to go.

It doesn't take long (best guess so far, about 10 Mins.) for it to figure out the style but while it's doing so, it sucks, after it learns, I really like it.

It seems to hate part throttle turns going up a hill from level ground, you can lug or go fast but sedate normal driving cause it to freak and mindlessly lug or hard shift, sometimes both which makes for an interesting jerking sensation that leaves the driver wondering what is wrong with their car.

There is a current thread about step on pedal, lift off and then reapply to make it jerk, in my normal driving, I don't experience it but in certain situations (the initial hill climb), I can make it do that with a wild abandon that would make anyone question whether 'that' is normal. Yes, it is, for this car. How you drive it dictates how it acts and that, I suspect has a great deal to do with what others are concerned (Raving) about.

Not all but most complaints that I see about the DCT I can replicate by doing something or other, some I see all the time and some I have to purposefully try to cause. It seems to me that driving style has a great deal to do with many of the 'issues' that seem to be prevalent on the board.

I am still learning the DCT and I really like it after the first 10 minutes of the TCM learning curve, once it settles in, it rocks, it's just the initial wait that irritates me but I can live with it now that I think I understand what it's trying to do. I just think that Ford made several mistakes in it's programming that are causing people to hate it.

I absolutely love my car, quirks, re-indexes not withstanding, it is a joy to drive, the wife LOVES the voice recognition and I agree, there is no comparison to anything else out there as far as I know, just learn to speak up and use a clear voice without pauses in the command structure that it was designed for and it is the best system I have ever used.

I believe that Ford is and has been mistaken for not publishing specs (of any sort) on the system, the dearth of information to users is appalling and detracts from what could be a fantastic system instead of being 'not the worst'.

Did I mention that I love my car and they will pry the seat from my cold dead butt long after Obama destroys my ability to buy another new car?

Long live Amsoil - My oil is better than your oil.

My Bypass filter is bigger than your filter.

Platinum White rocks in the sunlight

K&N drop in and snorkel delete is as loud as I want to get

Summer tires suck in a dusting of snow

Rear seat fold down doesn't work if you are over 5 foot 2 and need leg room

The auto lock with 5 key FOB sucks, you have to manually lock it to be sure

I Absolutely love my car

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05-14-2013 02:45 PM
oritpro
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Originally Posted by SilverPony2001 View Post
Apple is still crap.
Apples attitude is crap, but they do make decent products. I simply refuse to pay to play inside their walled garden.

To each their own.
05-10-2013 09:41 PM
tdo
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Originally Posted by sekazi View Post
I have yet to run into any major issues yet with my DCT or MFT and I am ~1300 miles and ~55 hours in.
+1 Maybe it helps that we have cheapy Tracfone's too! They just connect and work.
05-10-2013 09:18 PM
estoyloco
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Originally Posted by valmundo View Post
I am happy with MFT because it has never failed me except for the first week when it rebooted (and that was before the 3.5.1 update). I haven't read anyone berating someone else about their MFT problems. It is clear that some folks are having real problems with MFT, however.
You haven't been on the forums long enough then... there were plenty of people that belittled those with MFT problems, especially near the early end of 2012's release...
Most of these people now just stay silent or have changed their tone since having issues themselves... funny how things work huh?

But yes I think MFT was an epic failure on Ford's part... not necessary the worst but far from the best. And yes that is my personal opinion, but I am sure someone is going to take offense to that.
05-10-2013 08:12 PM
84Camaro_L69 You guys are right on the money. Just as you stated before, because it is a major purchase a lot of folks accept the issues (like me) because your stuck with it for several years and the dealer doesn't have a way to fix it after holding it hostage all day pretending to take a look at it. If it doesn't act up in front of them then its as if the device is ok. I'm going to live with my issues and be grateful it isn't as bad as some folks.

I do tell folks who think about buying one the pros and cons but I don't try to sway their decision one way or the other. I do admit that I've learned to live with the quirks for now, but I am not attached to the car and would trade it for something else in a heartbeat. Honestly I thought about upgrading to the ST but since I would most likely get the tech package I'm keeping what I've got and saving my money.

When the software upgrade was done last year I hoped it would fix the quirks. It didn't but it did improve the Bluetooth while driving on the highway. After reading the reviews I was hard pressed to consider the extended warranty because of the MFT. My wife's Elantra with its MFT equivalent and the manufacturer refused to cover I because she had 30k miles on the car and made her e the extended warranty, a new unit cost $800 (from what I recall) but her warranty deductible was only $100. I do worry my MFT will die and I'll be stuck buying a new one. If so, hopefully it'll perform better that the original one.
05-10-2013 03:21 PM
gostinger Gary does have many valid points. Of course not everyone has problems like some of us do or did in my case but just think of this for a moment. You buy a tv for a grand lets say and it acts up out of the box , most would return it . You pay minimum 20000 dollars ( 30000 for mine in Canada) and because of the way car purchases work , you are stuck with it. No logic in that . Yes there is warranty coverage but I bet if they were held more accountable there would be better quality control. Now back to MFT , my 2013 works by far much better than my 2012, features that were supposed to work in my 2012 didn't or were non existent.My climate controls were out of sync, radio didn't display song info etc. And the list goes on.
I find there are car owners and car drivers. The latter enjoy their cars, as it is an extension of their personality and the features they paid for are to enhance the enjoyment of the driving experience and should function fully . I don't think that is too far fetched or too much to ask for.
All in all finally enjoying my car now :-)
05-10-2013 01:40 PM
valmundo
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Originally Posted by garyd9 View Post
It amazes me the number of people who are willing to accept the issues that MFT has. I paid 26k USD for a car, I expect it to work properly, or for Ford to fix the flaws. In fact, Ford promised me that it would fix the issues in the form of a warranty that they are NOT fulfilling.

I see a small but significant minority of people in the MFT threads saying "everything works fine" - and when I point out flaws that are easily repeatable in the 3.5.1 software, they blow it off as unimportant. If the bother to try, they can repeat the issues, however.

If this was a $200 phone with buggy software, or a 99 cent "app", I'd be more forgiving of the issues. However, car companies charge thousands of dollars for these "infotainment" systems. When questioned on why their technology is costing 10 and 20 times what similar technology costs in the consumer space, they claim its because they have to be more reliable, etc.

Guess what? Its NOT more reliable. It's actually LESS reliable. The Kenwood head unit in my previous vehicle had nav, bluetooth, pandora, touch screen, played DVD's, a functional ipod interface, sirius, and at times I think it washed dishes, and said "bless you" when I sneezed... and it worked all the time. Cost? $750. (DNX6900HD)

Ford claims that "MFT" enhances safety. By making that claim, Ford takes on a responsibility to fulfill it. However, due to the flaws, it can actually REDUCE safety as the user is encouraged to pay less attention to the road in front of them and more attention to the touch screen trying to get things working. I'm not suggesting that this user SHOULD be doing that - only that they will.

Those saying that Ford shouldn't be responsible for that probably also think that Ford shouldn't be responsible for the seatbelt warning light, the passenger airbag, or other numerous safety issues... (However, various government agencies have decided that car manufacturers are responsible for protecting us from ourselves. Ford is also responsible for making sure we can't use certain functions when the car is moving...)

If MFT decides to flip out, the "manual" controls (power, volume, and A/C controls) can become non-responsive. As well, the speakers can start making a VERY LOUD squealing noise. I've had this happen twice. That's not a safety issue? Actually, it IS. As well as startling the driver, the noise is a MAJOR distraction, the user trying to turn knobs and press buttons to get it to stop making the noise is a major distraction, and forcing the user to pull over on the side of a busy highway to turn off the engine and open a door is also a safety issue.

I once considered giving this focus titanium to my daughter for her to learn to drive. I originally figured that "MFT" would help to keep her safer, as I know I can't forcibly prevent her from doing stupid things (like chatting on the phone and text messaging in the car), but perhaps that the features in MFT would encourage her to do it in a safer manner. After having the car for 2 weeks, however, I consider that MFT actually will make things LESS safe.

(Oh, and anyone who thinks they can really prevent a teenager from doing stupid things is living in a fantasy world - don't bother replying.)

Just because YOU aren't having issues with the MFT flaws (and are willing to live with them), please don't berate others if they aren't happy with the flaws, or find that the flaws endanger their safety.
I am happy with MFT because it has never failed me except for the first week when it rebooted (and that was before the 3.5.1 update). I haven't read anyone berating someone else about their MFT problems. It is clear that some folks are having real problems with MFT, however.
05-10-2013 11:20 AM
84Camaro_L69 The MFT has its quirks, but overall I'm still satisfied with it and the functionality that it provides. When searching through my USB stick it's super simple to get specific albums, artist, etc. Not to mention the preset icon views for sat-radio.

Since I got the software upgrade I have only had two reboots while driving, both while it was giving me directions in town and if you aren't rolling the directions will not download properly for the turn-by-turn. So there's an issue about once a month or less frequent than that.

I do have an issue with the weekly incidents where I stop at the store or to get gas and its resets the music on the USB back to song 1 of 500, when I was playing a specific album and wanted to resume the same song. I didn't want to listen to all the songs in alphabetical order.
05-10-2013 10:32 AM
garyd9 It amazes me the number of people who are willing to accept the issues that MFT has. I paid 26k USD for a car, I expect it to work properly, or for Ford to fix the flaws. In fact, Ford promised me that it would fix the issues in the form of a warranty that they are NOT fulfilling.

I see a small but significant minority of people in the MFT threads saying "everything works fine" - and when I point out flaws that are easily repeatable in the 3.5.1 software, they blow it off as unimportant. If the bother to try, they can repeat the issues, however.

If this was a $200 phone with buggy software, or a 99 cent "app", I'd be more forgiving of the issues. However, car companies charge thousands of dollars for these "infotainment" systems. When questioned on why their technology is costing 10 and 20 times what similar technology costs in the consumer space, they claim its because they have to be more reliable, etc.

Guess what? Its NOT more reliable. It's actually LESS reliable. The Kenwood head unit in my previous vehicle had nav, bluetooth, pandora, touch screen, played DVD's, a functional ipod interface, sirius, and at times I think it washed dishes, and said "bless you" when I sneezed... and it worked all the time. Cost? $750. (DNX6900HD)

Ford claims that "MFT" enhances safety. By making that claim, Ford takes on a responsibility to fulfill it. However, due to the flaws, it can actually REDUCE safety as the user is encouraged to pay less attention to the road in front of them and more attention to the touch screen trying to get things working. I'm not suggesting that this user SHOULD be doing that - only that they will.

Those saying that Ford shouldn't be responsible for that probably also think that Ford shouldn't be responsible for the seatbelt warning light, the passenger airbag, or other numerous safety issues... (However, various government agencies have decided that car manufacturers are responsible for protecting us from ourselves. Ford is also responsible for making sure we can't use certain functions when the car is moving...)

If MFT decides to flip out, the "manual" controls (power, volume, and A/C controls) can become non-responsive. As well, the speakers can start making a VERY LOUD squealing noise. I've had this happen twice. That's not a safety issue? Actually, it IS. As well as startling the driver, the noise is a MAJOR distraction, the user trying to turn knobs and press buttons to get it to stop making the noise is a major distraction, and forcing the user to pull over on the side of a busy highway to turn off the engine and open a door is also a safety issue.

I once considered giving this focus titanium to my daughter for her to learn to drive. I originally figured that "MFT" would help to keep her safer, as I know I can't forcibly prevent her from doing stupid things (like chatting on the phone and text messaging in the car), but perhaps that the features in MFT would encourage her to do it in a safer manner. After having the car for 2 weeks, however, I consider that MFT actually will make things LESS safe.

(Oh, and anyone who thinks they can really prevent a teenager from doing stupid things is living in a fantasy world - don't bother replying.)

Just because YOU aren't having issues with the MFT flaws (and are willing to live with them), please don't berate others if they aren't happy with the flaws, or find that the flaws endanger their safety.
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