|03-24-2015 08:55 PM|
And I'll just add to close my swap "adventure".
According to RA staff, Delphi bought out Spectra and substituted their original model with Spectra's (while keeping the same price and making no remark of this change, nice try Delphi). DO NOT BUY ONE, especially at Dephi price level. You'll curse trying to fit fuel line into either of these, you'll curse more if you had to spend 40$ extra. I've got some price difference refunded (not all of it) but even then my weekend time is not free, not to mention the aggravation. Had I received the module mid week (no time to mount it immediately) I'd first arranged for return and went with better module (or just got one from junk yard and and saved a bundle). I got the vehicle ready just in time for next snow storm (and prepped for trip across States in 2 weeks) but I regret rushing it (and falling for Dephi's scam, yep, I see no other name for this renaming bs).
See you on the road (for now I'm done with whole bunch of rebuilds that should keep my zx3 running into 200k).
|03-22-2015 02:16 AM|
You cannot shorten the line under the cover if that's where you went, the line is specifically molded to only use the length supplied there, the corrugations prevent any shortening with a decent chance of sealing. Once the sealing end was cut off you were history. The line has to hold full pressure and why made like that, it cannot be altered. (actually, it can, but another story). The outside line is simply pressed in fittings but using a special tool to do so. Tool about $100.
Uh, most or at least many of those pumps, indeed other 'makers' as well, are Walbro pumps, others remark them as theirs too. Walbro is stamped on the side of pump. A good brand and commonly used by the OEM. I have one of the new type Spectra pumps in my old module and works fine but most will not go where I had to to make it work, and how I know how many little things they changed up there. I figured out most of the brands were same identical pump by simply looking close at the detail pics, the Delphi and Spectra are the same. Or, upcharge simply due to the Delphi name. Mine was $38.
It appears to me much of the changing was to accommodate newer style smaller pump bodies as the design matures to get even smaller and cheaper, where the industry is going. I bet other car brands have had to change up modules to fit the new pumps too. Industry is moving away from like aluminum hard coated end castings and impellers because of ethanol damage to them, all plastic now and cheaper too. It never stops. Of course the million car pump recall figures in there too somewhere even though not Ford's fault there. Early ethanol maker refusal to properly filter the product brought that on. After they almost went under from damage claims they got their houses in order and problem is pretty much gone now.
I'll say it again for any who come across this...................DO NOT USE THE LATE DESIGN 'PUMP ONLY' PART IN AN EARLY DESIGN MODULE, you'll regret it, they look close but will NOT work!
|03-21-2015 10:43 PM|
yep, I've had to get the whole f.. module. Got one at rockaouto and - sure enough - was lucky to get substandard part (I'm in the process of disputing the order). Do not buy Spectra Premium (cheap but you get what you've paid for) or Delphi (ra either repacked wrong part or delphi just sells Spectra at 40$ premium, definitely not what pictured at online store). I've installed it in (had no time to futz around but I should have just return it, wish I figured it out sooner). The outlet did not line up with the original outlet (the original fuel line could not be repositioned to fit) and the fuel line supplied with the module was next to impossible to fit in, definitely not designed for the vehicle. All this after cutting tabs on the bottom of the tank (and I thought I was home at this point, yeah right). It works but the module looks disposable (can't see replacing just the pump if it failed), I broke the original fuel line (tried to shorten it to fit but getting the end back into the line is not an easy task, not sure what they use at factory besides heating the hose, it would pull out too easily). Plus the Spectra module (I just don't think it's Delphi, despite the box it came in, it even had the other part number embossed on the top) looks disposable and does not have the 2nd external fuel strainer. Do not buy (unless you're really cheap and like to make tough job an awful one).
All this because you can't get original module/matching pump any more. Thanks Ford for flip flopping.
Hopefully it'll last.
|03-15-2015 10:35 PM|
|amc49||If you used a new pump in the old module as the mods you describe seem to say, the pump top is longer too, if put in old module it almost closes off the pump outlet by being jammed against the top of the manifold there to block the exit port. The manifold is not lined up like before either and tilts the pump to possibly slide out sideways if you didn't mod the bottom rubber to also hold pump bottom very securely too. The top rubber is not correct either, too loose for the smaller OD of the late pump. That too allows pump to slide out sideways with use.|
|03-15-2015 05:06 PM|
It was my turn now - 162k on the clock. Silly me, got me by surprise (though I figured out the cause right away), had no fuses with me (2 miles from walmart, f...), got towed home (well, I was not going to pay shop prices and got myself mk7 golf little before for when the old "friend" was sick). I took my chances few more times (had to rescue myself once, fuses came in handy;) and today got the pump swapped (it sucks that it seems that all replacements are built for the new fuel module, had to tweak bottom rubber seat and reuse the strainer, module was covered with dirt). Anyway, somehow I looked at the wrong picture and almost cut the wire line going out to the back of vehicle (luckily it was covered in plastic sheeting and I only cut into the plastic). Next weekend I'll be in the junkyard cutting out matching piece (and maybe looking for the new model fuel pump module).
I love this old car and wish I could buy a brand new one just like it (no power anything, stick, 3 door, yolk). Golf (also 3 door, mt) is fast and such but in zx3 one can feel the road so much better.
|01-15-2015 11:22 PM|
|JoseR||great job, i guess is my turn...|
|12-12-2014 07:06 AM|
Darn. If I ever drop the tank I'll measure it up. Thanks, guys.
|12-12-2014 04:36 AM|
|amc49||That is probably an indicator of the move. Someone else here posted a while back about cutting the marked hole and his stuff didn't line up with pics, the tank pump hole had moved.|
|12-12-2014 03:32 AM|
|12-11-2014 06:35 PM|
Holy crap I just unplugged my fuel pump through the grommet below seat with two flathead screwdrivers and fuse still blew!
Unplugged FPDM and it's ok!
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