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11-24-2012 09:31 PM
Dung1sm looking forward to an ST someday...
11-24-2012 01:47 PM
FocusSTHopeful I drive a 2012 GTI

i test drove a focus st

its really not a hard "problem" or even a long discussion- The ST is faster, Feels more fun to drive, and the recaros are great and snug. the gti has a nicer interior, better steering wheel, and more cargo space.

the end.
11-22-2012 04:35 PM
Focus YBTC
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Yeah, well it didn't get into the same specs as C&D did with their GTI/ST comparo. What impressed me the most was the .93g that the ST returned on the skidpad. That really says something for Ford's drive electronics that are supposed to emulate an LSD.

I disagree with the comment that torque steer can't be eliminated from FWDs. The Macpherson strut suspension is most to blame for it. Both Ford and GM had redesigned front suspensions to limit torque steer, but it was determined to be too expensive for production cars. We'll see what the RS has, but with a Revo-knuckle and electronic torque control- I bet torque steer can be decreased to nearly nothing.

GM's HiPer Strut which is similar to the Ford Revoknuckle is already in production in a few GM cars including the Buick Regal GS, Buick LaCrosse CXS and 2013 Cadillac XTS. I'm not aware of any Ford production cars sporting the RevoKnuckle suspension system yet but I agree it would be great, it's supposed to go a long way toward reducing FWD torque steer.
11-22-2012 09:55 AM
WUGcatsvt It has been awhile since I have ventured on here.
My Wife has a 5 door White 2010 GTI. I have to say, this article is very acquire. It is perfect for her. Very comfortable and convenience. It also has a huge cool factor with the car with all people (auto enthusiast or not). But it lacks in performance.
One day I may buy an ST for myself because I am more performance driven, however the Focus I have now matched with the modifications drives like nothing I have driven before. I dont see replacing it (garaging it) anytime soon even though I have had it for 7 years now.
11-22-2012 09:36 AM
RonMaiden
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Originally Posted by Kabigon View Post
That "commercial" is not to be taken seriously by anyone other than teenage boys.
I do see alot of members here hating on the WRX and claiming it ain't all that so I want to see it head to head but I confident the WRX will win in nearly all the performance tests but how close will the ST be. The ST is the king in it's class but I want to see how it competes within it's price range.
11-22-2012 08:24 AM
whynotthinkwhynot Yeah, well it didn't get into the same specs as C&D did with their GTI/ST comparo. What impressed me the most was the .93g that the ST returned on the skidpad. That really says something for Ford's drive electronics that are supposed to emulate an LSD.

I disagree with the comment that torque steer can't be eliminated from FWDs. The Macpherson strut suspension is most to blame for it. Both Ford and GM had redesigned front suspensions to limit torque steer, but it was determined to be too expensive for production cars. We'll see what the RS has, but with a Revo-knuckle and electronic torque control- I bet torque steer can be decreased to nearly nothing.
11-22-2012 03:49 AM
TheGlassMaker
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Originally Posted by Kabigon View Post
It would be rather embarrassing for Ford if the ST couldn't knock off the dated Mazdaspeed 3 and GTI.

We'll see what happens next year with the introduction of the new GTI (rumored to have substantially more power), Dart SRT-4, BRZ STi, etc.

Hopefully the ST doesn't go from dominant to (completely) dominated.
Well hopefully Ford also updates the ST. But.. knowing ford they won't.
11-22-2012 03:18 AM
Kabigon
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Originally Posted by RonMaiden View Post
Remember that commercial with the ST chasing down and passing a WRX and then onto a BMW? Well.let's see how close they really are.
That "commercial" is not to be taken seriously by anyone other than teenage boys.
11-22-2012 03:05 AM
Kabigon
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Originally Posted by RonMaiden View Post
Nothing new from what every car rag has been reporting,the Focus ST is really the dominant in it's class. I want to see it run outside it's class against a WRX and others.
It would be rather embarrassing for Ford if the ST couldn't knock off the dated Mazdaspeed 3 and GTI.

We'll see what happens next year with the introduction of the new GTI (rumored to have substantially more power), Dart SRT-4, BRZ STi, etc.

Hopefully the ST doesn't go from dominant to (completely) dominated.
11-21-2012 06:36 PM
RonMaiden Remember that commercial with the ST chasing down and passing a WRX and then onto a BMW? Well.let's see how close they really are.
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