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10-26-2012 04:46 PM
suss6052
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Originally Posted by GR34TWHI73N0RTH View Post
Buy an Se sport, Make your own RS (since we will never get one)

est.
Se Sport = $21,900
LSD = 500
Turbo = 4000
6 speed standard = <4000
Tune = 2000

Total $32,400

Rs est. $36,000

Savings $3600 (wheels, exhaust, intake, etc.)

pimp decision.
Easier said than done. First of all you're talking about turbocharging an engine with a 12:1 compression ratio that was designed to run on regular unleaded gasoline. Now there have been high compression turbocharged engines, but normally not quite so stratospherically high before the turbo kicked in, you risk damaging the engine if you don't do it properly. Ford even lowered the compression ratio for the 2.0 L EcoBoost to 10:1 or so instead of 12:1 for the standard GDI TiVCT engine. You might want to factor in for the purchase of an ST motor and transmission to handle the power and torque figures you want. However the alleged RS would have a 2.3 L version of the i4 engine with a turbo charger and that won't be easy to mimic.

You're welcome to try it, but if it was reliable enough to pass strict durability testing under the harshest of conditions I think Ford would have relished the opportunity to keep the compression ratio higher, as it would make even more power, but chances are that detonation would start to creep back in and the car would try to retard timing as far as it could, to the detriment of fuel economy and power, probably even on 93 octane AKI ((ron+mon)/2) E0.

Maybe you could get away with the higher compression running on e85 but as it has much less energy content you'd still be using far more of it.
10-26-2012 04:06 PM
GR34TWHI73N0RTH Buy an Se sport, Make your own RS (since we will never get one)

est.
Se Sport = $21,900
LSD = 500
Turbo = 4000
6 speed standard = <4000
Tune = 2000

Total $32,400

Rs est. $36,000

Savings $3600 (wheels, exhaust, intake, etc.)

pimp decision.
10-26-2012 04:03 PM
quattro1 Every now and then I think about trading my Ti for an ST but don't think I ever will.

My Titanium with cloth sport seats and the 5spd manual with the handling package do a fine job of keeping me entertained on my daily commute of apprx 80 miles a day. Yes more speed can sometimes be wanted but then my MPG will drop, which is one of the main reasons I got the Focus.
10-26-2012 03:17 PM
sogosu I probably should have waited for the 6MT ST
10-26-2012 02:16 PM
suss6052
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Originally Posted by PratoN View Post
You can drive my car.
Yeah well I understand that in your case you believe the clutches to be going already, possibly due to an oil seal failure as in the TSB, but since your dealers refuse to actually look at it for an internal leak without seeing anything external and the car wasn't throwing any codes they are giving you the shaft so far. However I have to wonder why a rental car with 17k miles on it last year felt as smooth as my new one with about 3 miles on the clock the first time I drove it despite the different programming and the initial states of wear where as other people who have issues are being told this is normal.

Grinding or slipping clutches is not normal. But to trash the technology full stop because of an unspecified number of faulty units that may only comprise a small percentage of the vehicles sold with the same hardware is not good either.

Now had a 6MT been available with the same gear ratios or close enough with as tall a final drive or taller rather than being down a gear and therefore spinning much faster at the same speeds in the normal car it might have been worth it. However since it was not available on any U.S. Focus besides the ST and its geared slightly more for performance at this point in time it wouldn't be a good transplant candidate for those who want good mileage.

Try driving a 2009 Focus with the 4AT, its only party piece is the tall final drive so if you were able to roll in 4th with the converter locked at 70 it might be turning over between 2370-2400 rpm, but everywhere else it stinks, its too laggy, rubber banding on the start and spinning the wheels at every aggressive corner manuver, etc.
10-26-2012 01:58 PM
PratoN
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Originally Posted by suss6052 View Post
I don't get why people rag on the DCT so much, maybe its just the ones I have driven (including my SEL) which worked flawlessly except when I left it in manual mode from a stop and forgot to shift up, which doesn't happen very often.
You can drive my car.
10-26-2012 01:38 PM
suss6052
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Originally Posted by unclebrud View Post
I would go for the ST. The regular SEL is good, but does not have an edge to it - it is an excellent normal car. I rented an SEL hatch and drove it 2200 miles. Very enjoyable, but not nearly as fun/agile as the better Mk1 models (especially if you factor in the DCT).

Even if you get the new ST, you should hang on to the SVT. That is one of the most desirable Foci, IMHO.

You should drive them both...
I've driven both. The SEL is very nicely appointed and a good drive. I don't get why people rag on the DCT so much, maybe its just the ones I have driven (including my SEL) which worked flawlessly except when I left it in manual mode from a stop and forgot to shift up, which doesn't happen very often. Its quick to shift and is very smooth from day one for me, even under full throttle accelerations and even at highway speeds (55-70) when needing to accelerate it seamlessly drops from 6-4 or 6-3 for more power and then shifts back up for better fuel economy.

The ST on the other end is a lot of fun, and once you get used to the layout of the 6MT and get a feel for the engine speed/ road speed relationship for each gear its very fun to drive, but the clutch was way too light and it felt like a light switch. I was able to easily modulate it with some practice on the launch/ start from a stand still however.

The ST does have more power so it will shove the car forward harder, but its also heavier than the SEL, the normal focus weighing in somewhere around 2948-30xx lbs and the ST weighing over 3200 lbs with the intercooler, turbo, beefier 18" wheels and tweaked brakes and suspension.

As a hot hatch the ST is superb, but for normal traffic and cruising the SEL takes the crown for me. If I had enough money I might have had both, or if I had waited for a 2013 as its the only way to get roughtly what I wanted in 2013 as they screwed up the color palate and options matrix vs the 2012.
10-26-2012 01:12 PM
unclebrud I would go for the ST. The regular SEL is good, but does not have an edge to it - it is an excellent normal car. I rented an SEL hatch and drove it 2200 miles. Very enjoyable, but not nearly as fun/agile as the better Mk1 models (especially if you factor in the DCT).

Even if you get the new ST, you should hang on to the SVT. That is one of the most desirable Foci, IMHO.

You should drive them both...
10-26-2012 10:15 AM
Uptcv1 I would just hold on to the svt! Or wait a year or so for st after first year cloud settles..
10-26-2012 08:32 AM
SkyPilot i guess it really depends on what YOU want.

Comfortable daily driver- SEL

Performance manual hatch- ST

your trying to compare apples to oranges, tho both may be a focus, both are NOT the same.
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