|10-26-2012 04:46 PM|
You're welcome to try it, but if it was reliable enough to pass strict durability testing under the harshest of conditions I think Ford would have relished the opportunity to keep the compression ratio higher, as it would make even more power, but chances are that detonation would start to creep back in and the car would try to retard timing as far as it could, to the detriment of fuel economy and power, probably even on 93 octane AKI ((ron+mon)/2) E0.
Maybe you could get away with the higher compression running on e85 but as it has much less energy content you'd still be using far more of it.
|10-26-2012 04:06 PM|
Buy an Se sport, Make your own RS (since we will never get one)
Se Sport = $21,900
LSD = 500
Turbo = 4000
6 speed standard = <4000
Tune = 2000
Rs est. $36,000
Savings $3600 (wheels, exhaust, intake, etc.)
|10-26-2012 04:03 PM|
Every now and then I think about trading my Ti for an ST but don't think I ever will.
My Titanium with cloth sport seats and the 5spd manual with the handling package do a fine job of keeping me entertained on my daily commute of apprx 80 miles a day. Yes more speed can sometimes be wanted but then my MPG will drop, which is one of the main reasons I got the Focus.
|10-26-2012 03:17 PM|
|sogosu||I probably should have waited for the 6MT ST|
|10-26-2012 02:16 PM|
Grinding or slipping clutches is not normal. But to trash the technology full stop because of an unspecified number of faulty units that may only comprise a small percentage of the vehicles sold with the same hardware is not good either.
Now had a 6MT been available with the same gear ratios or close enough with as tall a final drive or taller rather than being down a gear and therefore spinning much faster at the same speeds in the normal car it might have been worth it. However since it was not available on any U.S. Focus besides the ST and its geared slightly more for performance at this point in time it wouldn't be a good transplant candidate for those who want good mileage.
Try driving a 2009 Focus with the 4AT, its only party piece is the tall final drive so if you were able to roll in 4th with the converter locked at 70 it might be turning over between 2370-2400 rpm, but everywhere else it stinks, its too laggy, rubber banding on the start and spinning the wheels at every aggressive corner manuver, etc.
|10-26-2012 01:58 PM|
|10-26-2012 01:38 PM|
The ST on the other end is a lot of fun, and once you get used to the layout of the 6MT and get a feel for the engine speed/ road speed relationship for each gear its very fun to drive, but the clutch was way too light and it felt like a light switch. I was able to easily modulate it with some practice on the launch/ start from a stand still however.
The ST does have more power so it will shove the car forward harder, but its also heavier than the SEL, the normal focus weighing in somewhere around 2948-30xx lbs and the ST weighing over 3200 lbs with the intercooler, turbo, beefier 18" wheels and tweaked brakes and suspension.
As a hot hatch the ST is superb, but for normal traffic and cruising the SEL takes the crown for me. If I had enough money I might have had both, or if I had waited for a 2013 as its the only way to get roughtly what I wanted in 2013 as they screwed up the color palate and options matrix vs the 2012.
|10-26-2012 01:12 PM|
I would go for the ST. The regular SEL is good, but does not have an edge to it - it is an excellent normal car. I rented an SEL hatch and drove it 2200 miles. Very enjoyable, but not nearly as fun/agile as the better Mk1 models (especially if you factor in the DCT).
Even if you get the new ST, you should hang on to the SVT. That is one of the most desirable Foci, IMHO.
You should drive them both...
|10-26-2012 10:15 AM|
|Uptcv1||I would just hold on to the svt! Or wait a year or so for st after first year cloud settles..|
|10-26-2012 08:32 AM|
i guess it really depends on what YOU want.
Comfortable daily driver- SEL
Performance manual hatch- ST
your trying to compare apples to oranges, tho both may be a focus, both are NOT the same.
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