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06-03-2015 01:05 PM
heyjayman
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Originally Posted by sailor View Post
Subaru is doing that, the raised ring around the filter to catch drips could help a little with them.
I used to have a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser. The oil filter was on top, at an angle, with the same sort of "cup" around it.

There was a nipple underneath the cup, normally covered with a rubber cap. When you changed the oil, a 1 liter pop bottle fit nicely in there, and the 1/3 cup of hot oil drained into the pop bottle.

Then a quick wipe of the cup, new filter on, and ready to go. It was probably the easiest oil change I had ever done.
06-03-2015 12:25 AM
sailor Up to 10k/1 year, the oil life monitor will tell you when.

Many pick a shorter interval for preference/convenience, this is one thread of many on Oil that has multiple opinions expressed on that subject.

Grab a manual for that new car, it's THICK with information on the MkIII.
06-03-2015 12:06 AM
14Focusse
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Originally Posted by 2012sel View Post
I always drain first, just in case a full oil pan would make a bunch of oil come out of the filter hole. Probably just a habit.

I don't think it's necessary to rev, but shouldn't hurt as long as you allow enough time for the oil to get up to pressure before you do. As for how long to check for a leak, at least 1 minute.

I think I'll preload next time and see if the initial engine noise is not so loud. This time I didn't preload and was a little uncomfortable at how much noise the engine made before the oil filled the engine. Try it both ways and do what you like.
EDIT: Next time I'm going to crank the engine for a few seconds with the accelerator floored. Gas is shut off when you do this but the oil pump should fill the filter.

Keep your receipts and record each oil change in a log. You should be fine.

Anybody else have an opinion on the questions? Please share and explain why. Thanks.

How many miles between oil changes?
how many miles does it say in the service manual? i dont have one :(
06-02-2015 03:17 PM
sailor Subaru is doing that, the raised ring around the filter to catch drips could help a little with them.

The 944 is fun, likes a hole punched in the filter to allow most to drain through the engine before removal.

Saw the recent canister type on GM first, alloy housing with a cap to unscrew on top & the filter is inside. Not like some old ones I remember that had a long bolt through the middle of a canister you removed with the filter (first car, a TR4A IRS had one of those in an awkward location - angled so some would spill).

Easiest in recent memory is the '95 S-10 4 cyl.. Sideways on the block & over the chassis so spillage would be a mess. BEST factory setup ever! They put a funnel under it, that leads to the back of the pan area. Large pan will catch both that & the drain plug at the rear, so pull the plug & loosen filter to drain. Enough room to turn the filter up as you pull it once drained so nothing drips. Even vertical on the Focus isn't as good, drips down the filter once loosened.
06-02-2015 02:34 PM
Arco-Zakus None worse than the Porsche 944, where the filter was totally upside down. What were they thinking?
06-02-2015 02:20 PM
heyjayman
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Originally Posted by Scougar View Post
If you want to go even further, you can send your oil away to be analyzed, and it can give a good indication of engine health. It 'can' allow you to see things like ring wear etc.
I used to do that a couple of times a year but fell out of that habit. Here it costs around $30. Maybe I should start up the oil analysis again.

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Originally Posted by CanFocusFan View Post
Hi: All... Once had the oil filter blow off my Chrysler during an oil change when they started it to check the level. Good thing it was still on the hoist. What a mess!!! Not worth me getting my hands dirty. Besides if I open the hood somethings bound to go wrong.
CanFocusFan
Sounds like you were dealing with some real beauts there, if the oil filter blew off. I wonder what else they buggered up on a routine basis?

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Originally Posted by Dondi View Post
Cheap price means cheap oil (of who knows what viscosity or quality), cheap oil filter and wet behind the ears "mechanics."
The Petroleum Quality Institute of America

The Petroleum Quality Institute of America

Doesn't seem to have any problem finding substandard oil for sale on the shelves. It gets so bad they have to involve various state legislative enforcement agencies.

I wouldn't trust a qwik-change place. Even if I was stricken with a major illness and had to spend half a day dragging my lifeless lower torso across the house, bumping down the steps into the garage, and taking 4 hours to change the oil, I would still do it myself. That is how little I trust those places!

Qwik-change places, you have no idea what sort of bulk mystery oil they use. What sort of no-name filter. There are a lot of folks who assume all motor oil is exactly the same, and all oil filters are exactly the same. They should guess again.

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I guess I've just not been good at finding others who deserve to be trusted.
You and me both. Burn me once ....

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Also, having things "go wrong" happens to everyone who works on cars sooner or later. You can count on it.
I would say, "s*** happens". But at least that s*** happened with good intentions. Not some scumbag ripping you off.

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And now we start to see canister filters being used again (not on our cars yet).
Toyota really jumped onto this. They just want to make sure that oil changes become so messy and so inconvenient that the average person will no longer bother.

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My Toyotas had it sideways on the front side of the block, so it was easy to reach but always spilled its contents down the side of the engine and into a crossmember where it was hard to clean up. My Acura (Honda) has it on the rear side of the engine block, tucked into a tight space between the engine and the firewall. Changing it is strictly by touch and always results in skinned knuckles and a mess of oil
Yeah I had a 1993 Toyota Camry 4 cylinder and when I bought it, I thought the oil changes would be super easy due to the filter sticking out right there on the block. Yeah, right. As time went on, the oil changes turned into a major production number, I ended up using brake cleaner and spraying it to get rid of as much of the spilled oil as I could.

A friend of mine has a 2013 Ford Fiesta. I was surprised at how the oil filter is at such an angle that the oil gushes all over the lower rad hose. Probably due to how the filter is sideways on the oil cooler. That has to be real good for the rad hose!
06-02-2015 01:43 PM
Arco-Zakus
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You read it! ...
Yes, but so long ago that I don't even remember how the story went. Probably time to track it down and read it again.

Mostly I learned that stuff from a neighbor who used to flip old cars in his spare time. (His day job was maintaining big rigs for UPS.) No matter what went wrong, nothing riled him or kept him from figuring out a way to complete any job he tackled.

Before we were old enough to drive (even illegally), my brother and a friend and I would volunteer our labor doing grunt work for him (though we thought it was fun) so we could learn about cars and get help with some of our own motorized projects. Invaluable lessons that helped me excel in a totally different career, and never be afraid to tackle doing my own oil changes and such on the side.

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Originally Posted by sailor View Post
We got off topic there ...
But not nearly so much as we sometimes do. Actually, I thought it was all pretty much related to doing our own oil changes.

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Originally Posted by wavsine View Post
Admittedly, changing your oil at home can be a nasty job and I don't fault anybody for not wanting to do it. I am a control freak and like to know exactly what is going into my engine. ...
Same here, on both points. The thing is, the nastier a job is, the less I trust some stranger (who is in a hurry to get it done) to do it "right" on a car that is not his own.

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Originally Posted by wavsine View Post
... Years ago, it was a far messier and more time consuming process when most cars had canister filters before the spin on filters became popular. ... The advent of spin on filters made the do it yourself oil change a far more palatable procedure.
On some cars. On my early water-cooled VWs and my current Focus the filter is upright and on the side of the engine block facing the front of the car where it can be reached easily. My Toyotas had it sideways on the front side of the block, so it was easy to reach but always spilled its contents down the side of the engine and into a crossmember where it was hard to clean up. My Acura (Honda) has it on the rear side of the engine block, tucked into a tight space between the engine and the firewall. Changing it is strictly by touch and always results in skinned knuckles and a mess of oil dripping down onto the exhaust pipe (and my face if careless) and into nooks and crannies where it is very hard to clean up. It makes the external cannister I remember mounted on the firewall of my Mom's '54 Ford seem much more sensible. I won't miss that about the Acura when it is (or I am) gone, and will remember it every time I change the oil filter on my Focus. I love it.

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And now we start to see canister filters being used again (not on our cars yet).
Although I think I recall at least one Focus owner who had installed an aftermarket hight capacity external filter that reminded me of the old cannisters. I haven't seen the ones you refer to, but I'd bet they're much improved over the ones I remember.
06-02-2015 11:01 AM
sailor And now we start to see canister filters being used again (not on our cars yet).
06-02-2015 12:27 AM
wavsine
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With Ford charging me $20 I can't do it that cheap at home and with that price they use a semi-syn oil.
Admittedly, changing your oil at home can be a nasty job and I don't fault anybody for not wanting to do it. I am a control freak and like to know exactly what is going into my engine. Years ago, it was a far messier and more time consuming process when most cars had canister filters before the spin on filters became popular. Not only were the filter canisters messy but the separate rubber gaskets turned brittle and literally had to be dug out of the engine block in pieces before you could insert a new gasket. The advent of spin on filters made the do it yourself oil change a far more palatable procedure.
06-02-2015 12:01 AM
sailor We got off topic there Ron,

Arco-Zakus was quoting "Zen & the Art" to CanFocusFan who was afraid to touch things under the hood in general.
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