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03-04-2008 03:14 PM
Springbuck I have this same problem. The wear seems to be on the outside of the tire rather than on the tire thread itself. The corner looks like it gets grinded away. I also have a SVT. Mine is stock. No suspension work done. I have had 4 alignments done with no success. It almost seems if you look at the tire that what happens is that when you turn the tire "flops" over instead of staying vertical. I have some pics I will dig up. The tread is worn evenly across the tire, but on both front wheels the inside corner is worn away so much it actually makes a triangle with the contact patch.

If you jack the front end up and "wiggle" the wheel there is no "play" in the wheel. it is real solid.
11-26-2007 07:57 PM
Geezer
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Originally Posted by wickedgreyzx3 View Post
might be a bent control arm
I doubt its a bent control arm. First, both would have to be bent and by the same amount sense camber is pretty even side to side. Secondly, most bent control are bent laterally rather than vertically. A lateral bend screws up toe pretty significantly. To affect camber and not toe (toe is almost zero on both sides) the arm would have to be bent vertically (like dropping the car from significant distance and landing on its wheels...naturally this would break a lot of other stuff as well) which would shorten it and thus cause numbers towards positive camber rather than negative.

And for what its worth caster can affect camber a little as well. Do you have your caster numbers.
11-26-2007 07:34 PM
scrammer ^^agreed

sloppy ball joints will also cause this. new LCAs come with balljoints.
11-26-2007 07:28 PM
wickedgreyzx3 might be a bent control arm
11-26-2007 06:35 PM
ProSilverVT02
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Originally Posted by Geezer View Post
Sounds like you bought the car used so some things come to mind. 1) Are you sure it has stock springs on it? Did the previous owner possible lower it. 2) The accident could be one cause but it had to be a pretty good one. That amount of negative camber can not be achieved within the range of allowable stock adjustments. You're lucky if you can get a quarter to half a degree (if that) at most alignments. It's unlikely taller springs will do much. It would take a considerable increase to negate (reduce) that kind of camber. I see if someone has a set of SVT front springs laying around and give them a try (borrow) before you spend serious money on other springs and have them not work.
1) Not 100% sure it has the stock springs, but the rear end is about 3/8 of an inch lower than a ZX3 with a factory suspension with about 5,000 more miles. I thought that was pretty close to the factory height of the SVT. With that said, is it possible that the previous owner lowered the front and not the back? Either way, if the suspension is not factory an Eibach setup would have the car sitting .75 inches lower in the front than factory, and about 1 inch lower in the rear than factory. So I guess I'm hoping the ProKit will level the car out (raise the front, lower the rear). I was actually thinking about purchasing a set of KYB AGX struts/shocks last spring, so this problem would actually give me a reason to get them with the ProKit.

2) I don't see any repairs to the frame upfront. The only thing I noticed about the front end is an R DOT driverside headlamp and R DOT front bumper (probably a fender bender, nothing major) I have had the fenders off the front end and once again, no repairs to the factory welds/frame horns. As far as suspension parts, my controls arms are straight, and the bushings are solid. I'm running out of ideas of what to do.
11-26-2007 05:47 PM
Geezer
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Originally Posted by ProSilverVT02 View Post
60,000, just like you said, it sounds crazy to purchase a "lowering" kit to solve the problem, but an Eibach Pro-Kit would actually raise my front end up.

Front camber is... Left (-3.4) Right (-3.6)
Front toe is... Left (-0.01) Right (0.00)

As stated above, the camber is so negative that a lowering kit will actually raise my front end. I know, doesn't make sense but trust me..

I am using the factory SVT 5 spokes with 215/45/17 tires. One accident comes up on Carfax.

Sounds like you bought the car used so some things come to mind. 1) Are you sure it has stock springs on it? Did the previous owner possible lower it. 2) The accident could be one cause but it had to be a pretty good one. That amount of negative camber can not be achieved within the range of allowable stock adjustments. You're lucky if you can get a quarter to half a degree (if that) at most alignments. It's unlikely taller springs will do much. It would take a considerable increase to negate (reduce) that kind of camber. I see if someone has a set of SVT front springs laying around and give them a try (borrow) before you spend serious money on other springs and have them not work.
11-26-2007 05:19 PM
ProSilverVT02
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Originally Posted by BadIdea View Post
You have some other issue that needs resolved. I ran -3.5 camber for 9 months with minimal inside tire wear. That was maybe 12k miles.
You must have been running some seriously hard tires. I was running Fuzion HRi's for about 5,000 miles and I was starting to show belts.
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Originally Posted by wickedgreyzx3 View Post
sure you don't have bent suspension parts?
I have replaced the front right inner tie rod end and thats it. The conclusion that I was coming to is that my struts are bents, or the springs are weak.
Copied this from babcox.com...
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Camber or toe wear

Shoulder wear on the inner or outer edge of a tire is often interpreted as camber misalignment. Too much positive camber can accelerate wear on the outer shoulder of a tire just as too much negative camber can accelerate wear on the inner shoulder. Underlying causes can include bent struts, mislocated strut towers, bent spindles, collapsed control arm bushings, even weak springs.
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I had the same problem a couple of months ago. I fixed the problem by replacing the stablizer bar that connect from the strut to the sway bar.
Been there, done that. The front end made an annoying rattle when I would go over small bumps, so I stuck my head underneath and they were rotted right off. But like wicked said, that fix alone is not going to help my problem.
11-26-2007 05:12 PM
ProSilverVT02
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Originally Posted by ..:: sleestak ::.. View Post
wow, the stock springs have settled that much?! how many miles are on them?
60,000, just like you said, it sounds crazy to purchase a "lowering" kit to solve the problem, but an Eibach Pro-Kit would actually raise my front end up.

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Originally Posted by Geezer View Post
What are your current camber and toe settings?
Front camber is... Left (-3.4) Right (-3.6)
Front toe is... Left (-0.01) Right (0.00)
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Lower springs will increase negative camber...
As stated above, the camber is so negative that a lowering kit will actually raise my front end. I know, doesn't make sense but trust me..
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What wheel and tire size are you using and what is the wheel offset? Has the car ever been in an accident?
I am using the factory SVT 5 spokes with 215/45/17 tires. One accident comes up on Carfax.
11-26-2007 03:34 PM
wickedgreyzx3
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Originally Posted by mrprichda2 View Post
I had the same problem a couple of months ago. I fixed the problem by replacing the stablizer bar that connect from the strut to the sway bar.
That should have absolutely nothing to do with tire wear, if at most, a tiny tiny marginal effect.
11-26-2007 02:39 PM
mrprichda2
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Originally Posted by ProSilverVT02 View Post
I have posted, searched, spent hours going through the site until my eyes burned and STILL can not find a resolution to fix my camber problem.

I have the stock SVT suspension and can barely make it 5000 miles without chewing up the insides of my front tires. With 3 attempts of alignments and 3 sets of front tires I am running out of money for tires.

With the research I've done I have come up with some options but nothing reasonable. Focus Sport has a front camber kit, but only if you have a coil-over set up (I don't). They have another camber kit but only allows you to adjust up to 1 degree (I need more than that). I have found other camber kits on the internet and the max I can get is 1 degree.

I've also seen that controls arms can be purchased because with the settling springs the control arms were the wrong length?!?!? Is this true with the front or just an issue with the rear? Either or, I heard that is one of the more expensive fixes for this problem.

My last option was to purchase a set of Eibach Pro-Kit springs. Yes, I know that they are lower than the SVT springs but since my front springs are weak and have settled too much, I thought that a better quality spring (Eibach) would decrease my camber problem in the front. I know that sounds stupid because if I want to fix this problem, lowering is the wrong way to go. Just to let everybody know, I can barely get one finger between my tire and fender in the front. So the Eibach resolution isn't as crazy as some might think.

I'm pretty much looking for options here, because I haven't found exactly what I'm looking for. So what can I do to get my front camber back into spec? Thanks in advance.
I had the same problem a couple of months ago. I fixed the problem by replacing the stablizer bar that connect from the strut to the sway bar.
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