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Old 04-16-2012, 06:27 PM   #1
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My 2012 Focus is Burning oil! All my past Fords (2000 F150, 2003 Mustang, 2008 Focus, 2009 Focus and 2011 Fiesta NEVER burned a single DROP of oil....this car consistently burns more oil.. Just took a 3000 mile road trip and burned 1/2 quart. The car seems to want to stay 1/4 from the full mark, so I only fill it that far. If I fill it to the "FULL" mark, within a day it is to the 1/4 mark. I resolved that maybe there was a "calibration" issue with the dipstick...so I didn't worry so much about that...but now it's burning down to the bottom or "Fill" line..to the tune of 1/2 quart in 3000 miles... just about to roll over to 19,000 miles...dealer shrugs it off. WTF?


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My 2012 Focus is Burning oil! All my past Fords (2000 F150, 2003 Mustang, 2008 Focus, 2009 Focus and 2011 Fiesta NEVER burned a single DROP of oil....this car consistently burns more oil.. Just took a 3000 mile road trip and burned 1/2 quart. The car seems to want to stay 1/4 from the full mark, so I only fill it that far. If I fill it to the "FULL" mark, within a day it is to the 1/4 mark. I resolved that maybe there was a "calibration" issue with the dipstick...so I didn't worry so much about that...but now it's burning down to the bottom or "Fill" line..to the tune of 1/2 quart in 3000 miles... just about to roll over to 19,000 miles...dealer shrugs it off. WTF?
That's not right and I would take it straight back to them and refuse no for an answer. If they still refuse then find another dealership.

On a side note I think I saw a thread someplace on here that talked about adding a catch somewhere which I think picked up oil from somewhere. If I can find it again I will provide a link.
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We've had a couple of '12 owners who've had problems with the dipstick tube being loose, and another with a problem with the oil fill cap. Regardless, you should take it back to the dealer. Burning that much oil should show up in an exhaust sniffer test.

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My 2012 Focus is Burning oil....but now it's burning down to the bottom or "Fill" line..to the tune of 1/2 quart in 3000 miles... just about to roll over to 19,000 miles...
Hello 2012FrostedGlass,

Letís see what I can do from my side. Please send a PM with your contact information, dealer name/state, approximate mileage, and the VIN, so I can get this escalated to the Customer Service Manager for your area.

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How are you checking the oil level? Always hot? Always cold? How long after shutting the engine off are you waiting before you pull the stick? Some motors take considerably longer for the oil to drain back to the pan than others....

I'm not suggesting you don't know what you're doing but most people don't understand that there are several things that need to be considered when doing something as simple as using a dipstick to check oil. Plus, nowdays the oils are very thin and are harder to get an reliable reading on the stick.

Oil has a viscosity index improver that gives us the "W" in the blend. This improver's molecules expand when they are heated and oil will literally "grow" in level as it heats. This is why you conventionally check trans fluid levels when the motor is hot. If you are checking your levels on a cold motor, the level should be at the bottom hash mark on the stick. The upper mark represents approximate hot engine oil levels. Sounds simple but you have to consider the fact that your temp gauge in the cluster is a buffered version of inferred cylinder head temperature. Rarely are coolant temp sensors used anymore and even if it where a coolant temp input.....we are talking oil temp. Oil is at full temp after the engine has been run under load for a significant period of time. Just because your temp gauge reads "normal" doesn't mean your oil is up to it's acceptable (nominal) warm temp.

My point is that although you may see your oil level "fluctuating" it may in fact be a matter of different oil temps and thus different degrees of oil expansion.

Ford's oil consumption specificaiton is 1qt per 1500 miles. I know it seems extremely liberal but that's what it is. I find it hard to belive a car that burns that amount of oil will pass a 5 gas test...but the spec is the spec. For comparison...Toyota's is 1qt per 800 miles!

As a technician, your oil level is good if it is within the hash marks at any given time. An oil consumption test is performed by changing the oil, filling it exactly 1 quart below spec. A scribe mark to indicate exactly 1qt low is put on the stick. Then it is filled to spec. A paint seal is placed on the drain plug and oil filter to identify any tampering with the test. You drive your car (without checking or changing ANYTHING) for 1500 miles. When you return, the vehicle is allowed to sit overnight (scribe marks where referenced on a cold motor). Next morning, a tech pulls the dipstick and if your oil level is above the 1qt low scribe mark - no further testing is done.

If you truly have a consumption issue the dealer and Ford should make it right. I hope the best for you....but in an effort to save your time and hassle I figured I'd share what I know.
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Thanks for the advice...

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How are you checking the oil level? Always hot? Always cold? How long after shutting the engine off are you waiting before you pull the stick? Some motors take considerably longer for the oil to drain back to the pan than others....

I'm not suggesting you don't know what you're doing but most people don't understand that there are several things that need to be considered when doing something as simple as using a dipstick to check oil. Plus, nowdays the oils are very thin and are harder to get an reliable reading on the stick.

Oil has a viscosity index improver that gives us the "W" in the blend. This improver's molecules expand when they are heated and oil will literally "grow" in level as it heats. This is why you conventionally check trans fluid levels when the motor is hot. If you are checking your levels on a cold motor, the level should be at the bottom hash mark on the stick. The upper mark represents approximate hot engine oil levels. Sounds simple but you have to consider the fact that your temp gauge in the cluster is a buffered version of inferred cylinder head temperature. Rarely are coolant temp sensors used anymore and even if it where a coolant temp input.....we are talking oil temp. Oil is at full temp after the engine has been run under load for a significant period of time. Just because your temp gauge reads "normal" doesn't mean your oil is up to it's acceptable (nominal) warm temp.

My point is that although you may see your oil level "fluctuating" it may in fact be a matter of different oil temps and thus different degrees of oil expansion.

Ford's oil consumption specificaiton is 1qt per 1500 miles. I know it seems extremely liberal but that's what it is. I find it hard to belive a car that burns that amount of oil will pass a 5 gas test...but the spec is the spec. For comparison...Toyota's is 1qt per 800 miles!

As a technician, your oil level is good if it is within the hash marks at any given time. An oil consumption test is performed by changing the oil, filling it exactly 1 quart below spec. A scribe mark to indicate exactly 1qt low is put on the stick. Then it is filled to spec. A paint seal is placed on the drain plug and oil filter to identify any tampering with the test. You drive your car (without checking or changing ANYTHING) for 1500 miles. When you return, the vehicle is allowed to sit overnight (scribe marks where referenced on a cold motor). Next morning, a tech pulls the dipstick and if your oil level is above the 1qt low scribe mark - no further testing is done.

If you truly have a consumption issue the dealer and Ford should make it right. I hope the best for you....but in an effort to save your time and hassle I figured I'd share what I know.
Always check cold (after sitting overnight) on a level surface to get the most accurate reading. I always make sure the dipstick is seated firmly, since it is going into a plastic hole. What bothers me is all my previous Fords, and my F150 never fluctuate, never burn a single drop, even on extended drains. My 2011 Fiesta was spot on every time, on the 10,000 mile change. My previous (08 and 09 Foci with 2.0 l) never ever burned a drop. My 2003 Mustang had 60,000 miles and never burned a drop.......
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Always check cold (after sitting overnight) on a level surface to get the most accurate reading. I always make sure the dipstick is seated firmly, since it is going into a plastic hole. What bothers me is all my previous Fords, and my F150 never fluctuate, never burn a single drop, even on extended drains. My 2011 Fiesta was spot on every time, on the 10,000 mile change. My previous (08 and 09 Foci with 2.0 l) never ever burned a drop. My 2003 Mustang had 60,000 miles and never burned a drop.......
Good deal. I've never had a car that burns oil and I've only owned a few nonFords.

My 03 focus is odd when it comes to oil level because I've noticed that in addition to getting a reliable reading on the stick.... it literally takes 4 or 5 minutes for it all to drain out of the heads and back to the pan.

If your level is at the bottom mark cold - it isn't low. And you can expect Ford to invest little time diagnosing a .5qt loss in 3000 miles. Sucks I suppose, but it is what it is. Could be worse, could have a Toyota burning a quart every 900 miles.
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It really depends on what Ford considers "normal". Chrysler considers 1 quarter per 750 mils "normal" on some of their vehicles.

My 2011 2.0 Duratec is always the same. Except for when I drain the oil to change it, then, for a few minutes it's empty.
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It's just odd...

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It really depends on what Ford considers "normal". Chrysler considers 1 quarter per 750 mils "normal" on some of their vehicles.

My 2011 2.0 Duratec is always the same. Except for when I drain the oil to change it, then, for a few minutes it's empty.
The fact that I have never had another Ford "Burn" or "Consume" oil is quite frustrating. Also, My 08 and 09 2.0l duratec's you could take a white cloth inside the tailpipe and it would come out clean...no soot whatsoever...the same with my 09 F150 with the 4.62v V8....tailpipe is clean metal..no soot...
My 2012 Focus has black soot in the tailpipe.....Note...the 2011 Fiesta also had soot in the tailpipe, but consumed "zero" oil. Of course I understand the engine in the Fiesta is basically an old design with TiVct added.....basically a Zetec. Oh well.....If they can't/won't fix it...I will trade it. I drive 160 miles a day, and I don't want to worry about sitting on the side of the road!

The upside to the trip was 3000 miles...4 adults, 1 child and a trunkload of bags saw 37.9 MPG! Lots of Mountains in PA, VA and TN.....could hold 75 at about 2650rpm climbing the hills.....with that kind of load is impressive of the 2.0l.
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Hey there, just thought of one thing to mention, from a model that's different than yours, but MAY act the same.

On my car, I CAN'T get a good reading just from pulling the stick after it has set a while (works on MOST vehicles), i have to pull it, wipe it & reinsert to get an accurate reading.

If I just pull the stick, it registers a quart low (bottom of 'hash" mark), but when wiped & reinstalled it shows normal level....

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