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Old 01-20-2017, 09:56 AM   #11
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if you know how to drive, traction control makes things worse. ABS/trac control is the very first thing I disable whenever I get a vehicle that has it. That s hit is junk.

It will not save me. For bad drivers, sure it can save you. not everyone is a bad driver.
No. You are not a better driver than traction control.
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Old 01-20-2017, 11:18 AM   #12
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No. You are not a better driver than traction control.
Yes I am....

Traction control cuts power. When I need power and it cuts it, that's not being better.....

When it decides to toss brakes on when I don't want brakes on, it ****s things up.

Blasphemy, I know, but some people actually have driving skill.
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abs is antilock braking.
The traction control is a totally separate animal.

They may be inter-related in the control systems, but the DISCUSSION separates the two.

My ST with a push of a button disables traction control/
But NOT abs.
Which is good.
I think clarifying the two would help the discussion, as the op is gettig flack and confusion over the two things.

No one 'requires' traction control if they are a good driver.
And really antilock brakes are not gonna mess up anybodies 'line'.. (except if you are trying to break loose and slide? And what racing sport needs brakes to break loose or lock wheels up?
Quote from (http://www.drivingfast.net/tackling-corners/)"Apply the brakes hard at your predetermined braking point using the threshold braking technique. Due to the forward weight transfers, there is a possibility that you may lock up one or more wheels (or activate ABS), "

Where if one HAS abs, it seems like this is a GOOD THING, racing. rather than locking the wheel up..

Anyway, the two separate things seem to be getting mixed up, to no ones benefit.
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ABS can be a hassle when you're on loose surfaces. Where locking up the brakes to get buildup in front of the tires is a good thing.

I've also been able to get traction control to kick in even when it was turned off. So I pulled the fuse to 100% disable it which takes out ABS as well. However i'm a MK2. may be different on the mk3.
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Hi, I'm not going to enter debate on ABS, but I want it off when I drive on snow, but I don't need to delete it, just be able to turn it off, with or without traction control I don't mind, I can turn it off after but keeping my 4x4 system going and not have a front wheel drive car which beats the point of having a RS on snow :)
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Even if you have ABS, its still best to threshold brake...you will have best stopping prior to the point of locking up your wheels. ABS only kicks in when you apply too much braking pressure and wheels do lock up

Braking ? Drivingfast.net is a good read but here is one of the parts on ABS:
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If you are the proud owner of a modern sports car, it’s likely that the engineers have spend countless hours fine tuning the ABS to provide the best possible performance from the hardware. Modern ABS systems are now so good that unless you’re a very good driver it can be hard to slow down more efficiently that by using the system. Even if ABS is fitted and it performs well, it is still better to threshold brake and prevent the system coming into operation in the first place. ABS is reactive and as the old adage goes – prevention is better than cure.
My car lacks ABS and I have become accustom to threshold braking under most circumstances, however I'd still happily have it for instances where traction is not ideal and/or for panic braking situations to help out.
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Old 01-20-2017, 04:35 PM   #17
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I be happy with a race ABS like on Porsche Cup but not possible on Focus :(

"The ABS function is a compromise between drivability and brake effectiveness. Drivability is the primary focus for passenger based vehicles. The ABS is desi- gned to keep the passenger vehicle maneuverable and stable under any circumstances and under any concei- vable driving conditions.
In a motorsports context, this compromise shifts towards brake effectiveness, as experienced drivers can still control a slightly unstable vehicle."
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I drink too much beer so my abs are already disabled...
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On the MK3 I'm not sure whats going on, I have yet to feel ABS kicking in, on ice and sliding and even in a few panic stops due to near collisions with HARD pedal...may have to make sure it's operating properly, although Im sure I would get some code or warning light.
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I only had ABS kick in once ever, you can definitely feel it stutter brake to prevent locking.
Other times I have needed to brake quickly but controlled but I didn't trigger ABS and stopped normally even at speed.
I think ABS only ever kicks in under extreme braking if you slam the brakes, which 99% of the time you don't.

Traction control helps you when cornering by braking the wheels to make the car go where you want it to, in effect making cornering easier without spinning out.

An experienced driver who knows how to compensate for this could benefit by disabling TC. Since TC in effect is braking while cornering which slows you down.

See those videos where they turn TC off and can slide around corners? The steering wheel isn't necessarily pointing where they are going. TC would think that that's actually where they want to drive, hence messing things up, but they have the steering in that position to maintain the slide.
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