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Old 08-06-2016, 08:58 PM   #11
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Sorry but I disagree about this being a huge safety issue. Doors just don't fly open unless they are being pushed on. If the light comes on on the dash, pull over, call Ford care, and delay your life an hour or two as you get a tow and a loaner from Ford. Big whoop.
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You posted a link to a single page ODI Resume - doesn't show ANY info. there regarding failure mechanism. All the details I had were as represented, from the official press release type info. in the link posted before.

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This is where I see a problem, and it doesn't take much math to see why.

The total numbers for the recall of all models in this specific one adds up to 830k, so you need 3.32 Million latches if all got the work done.

Now how many of the potentially affected 400,000 Focus cars are included in the States for the recall is not given anywhere I've seen, but even if you make a silly assumption that every state got similar numbers on average the 36% of Focus models included would add up to 144,000 cars, or 576,000 latches.

That's still going to be achievable a LOT faster than the 1.6 Million latches needed to do ALL the Focus cars in the possibly affected group.

I AM assuming that latch production is a bottleneck for accomplishment of the recall, with three years production involved and a third of the cars produced during that time (est.) being in the current recall group you'd need a supplier to double annual production to accomplish it in a year. 3 years to do all of them at double production rates.


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I am in the recall area as well but I am not crazy about having a monkey tear my door panels off.
This is one reason I think the "take rate" of owners in the more temperate regions would be low, maybe so low as to not more than double the rate of those who actually have an issue.

I didn't count the number of reports here, less than 10 by my rough estimate. Even 1/7th of the reports made to NHTSA making it here as well would be a high rate. So with no reports here from the temperate states, and no info. from the NHTSA report on locations out of the recall zone, I've got no way to guess how many might actually fail outside of that zone.

73 reports making it to the NHTSA is a small number out of 400k production. We know there were more just from out of warranty reports here. Still looks like your chances are good to not run into this if you aren't in the recall area.
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Old 08-06-2016, 09:19 PM   #13
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Sorry but I disagree about this being a huge safety issue. Doors just don't fly open unless they are being pushed on. If the light comes on on the dash, pull over, call Ford care, and delay your life an hour or two as you get a tow and a loaner from Ford. Big whoop.
This may sound extreme, but it's pretty accurate.

Ever try pushing a door open while moving? One can only "fly open" at parking lot speeds when making a sharp turn.

There's a reason for no "suicide doors" in current production.
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Honestly I don't want to beat up on the idea of all getting new latches so hard, it's just a priority issue of taking care of those who need them the most.
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Ever try pushing a door open while moving? One can only "fly open" at parking lot speeds when making a sharp turn.
Doors flying open is not the point here. A door ajar compromises the integrity of the side door crash protection that is certified by DOT. That steel beam that resides inside your door has pages of engineering data behind it. Unlatch the door and you compromise the side door protection.

This argument is futile. If you have no problem with this situation, just forget about it and hope you are not one of the unlucky ones. I plan to replace mine.

As for the ODI, please know that Ford did not initiate even a partial recall out of the goodness of their heart. They have their own internal data and their actuaries were apparently alarmed enough to do something.


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I AM assuming that latch production is a bottleneck for accomplishment of the recall, with three years production involved and a third of the cars produced during that time (est.) being in the current recall group you'd need a supplier to double annual production to accomplish it in a year
Thus the reason for a recall in stages rather than no recall at all for temperate states.
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So what do you guys think? Is it worth to take to get it replaced or no? Simple answer


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Certainly worthwhile to get it replaced.

You're in the recall zone, free potential increased safety & much less hassle than being one of those with an issue latching a door.
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Doors flying open is not the point here. A door ajar compromises the integrity of the side door crash protection that is certified by DOT. That steel beam that resides inside your door has pages of engineering data behind it. Unlatch the door and you compromise the side door protection.
So for the 30 seconds or 1 minute that it takes to pull over and pick up the phone, someone is at incredibly slight risk. Got it.
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Certainly worthwhile to get it replaced.
Ignore a safety recall?

Hmmmmm...

Some are thinking in terms of the latch either working or not working, door stays closed or will not close. (If the door stays closed and latches, then all is well) The problem with that is the latches may continue to operate with impaired integrity and then fail absolutely. Solar loading, heat, etc. can compromise the integrity of the latch (in this case the pawl spring) while still allowing the door latch to keep the door shut.

If latch failure occurs in the midst of a collision or a rollover, I am not sure how you would have time to pull over to the side of the road when the door ajar light comes on. What if the door latch fails at night and the dome lights illuminate? Probably nothing but it might temporarily blind some drivers if they are in fast moving traffic.

Crashes such as offset frontals, near side impacts, and especially rollovers, which pose the greatest risk of ejection for occupants, may lead to complex loading conditions to the vehicle door structure. In recognition of this, the agency tried to develop a new combination test that would subject the door latch components to simultaneously applied loads from different directions as occurs in rollover and other crashes in order to reduce related door ejections. We also wanted to update the existing requirements and test procedures established to ensure the strength of individual latch components for load conditions that are less complex, such as those that occur in many non-rollover collisions.

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So for the 30 seconds or 1 minute that it takes to pull over and pick up the phone, someone is at incredibly slight risk. Got it.
Would be significant risk in a rollover accident.

FWIW, I always use the seat belt to secure items in the rear seat if possible. Keeps the object from sliding around when cornering, and could keep it from flying around in a crash. In the case of a Focus, would keep it from pressing against the door.
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