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Old 04-20-2015, 03:24 PM   #1
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Bad news for people having fun with ECU

Just saw this today:
Automakers to gearheads: Stop repairing cars

Could be bad news for people who enjoy toying with the ECU config.

Personally, I have no interest in making changes to my car that would involve the ECU like this, but boy could this put a damper on people who like to really play with their cars!


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Just saw this today:
Automakers to gearheads: Stop repairing cars

Could be bad news for people who enjoy toying with the ECU config.

Personally, I have no interest in making changes to my car that would involve the ECU like this, but boy could this put a damper on people who like to really play with their cars!
It's more about TUNE than changing simple parameters in the BCM (harmless)

But anyway I'm against your logic since the device (car) is fully paid and should be 100% owned by me... copyrights laws ... don't even start me !

Glad to see that EFF is fighting for this crap!

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The EFF thinks the industry's desire to block exemptions has more to do with profits than safety. As software becomes easier to update, automakers could sell these performance upgrades on an a la carte basis. Because a favorable ruling would strengthen their control of the software, the car companies could potentially force consumers to only have their vehicles fixed at their dealerships or preferred repair shops.
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Old 04-20-2015, 04:27 PM   #3
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Yeah, right now it's just about those who want to fully tune their vehicle, but we all know that once it goes down that road, somebody somewhere (read: some hoity toity lawyer) will think it's a great idea to tighten the screws even more and make even rotating your ties a copyright protected action.

I'm all for wanting to tune and tweak your car - I agree, you bought it with your money (assuming you aren't financing or leasing), so it's 100% your car - it's just not something that I would want to do to my car.
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Corporations lobbying for laws in their favor and to hell with the fact that it is our property? They need to be read the riot act... who do they think they are? Copyright has zero to do with it. I'd love to see the legal gymnastics it took to make that B.S argument. IS FORD INVOLVED IN THE SUIT??
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More info. in this thread if you want to read/chime in:Fighting for vehicle owners’ rights to inspect the code that runs their vehicles
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Bad news for people having fun with ECU

I pray that this law never sees the light of day. First of all, for those of us that own are cars 100%, it is completely ridiculous that automakers think they can tell us what we can and cannot do with our property.

Maybe if automakers actually put in features that gear heads actually wanted, maybe we wouldn't have to tamper with everything.

Finally, this is all just a scheme so that eventually car owners will be banned from performing maintenance on their own cars and will have to shell out money for all maintenance to their local dealer or repair shop.

This just seems totally unintelligent. It's like telling a parent that they can't raise and discipline their own child.
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This is most likely going to end up the same way the case with apple did over jailbreaking phones, for the same reason el couz stated. If it's paid off, you own it, and should be able to tweak it within reason however you like.
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Ford's suit against Autel is troubling, as their business is in making diagnostic equipment (like code readers) that allow independent garages to service cars.

Winning that suit, and consumers losing the copyright exemption mentioned, would mean that the ONLY codes required to be avail. to garages/consumers are the ones REQUIRED to be in the OBD standards legislation (which made independent repair possible).

Those only cover engine codes related to emissions, so any repairs on other systems would by default be only possible by the Dealer.

***This is a back door way to REQUIRE Dealer repair for all vehicles, for anything more than minor servicing. ***

As it is now, few shops can do major repairs on items integrated into the vehicle systems, and ONLY with equipment provided by companies like Autel. You can no longer do a major repair at home right now, such as replacing a defective ABS module, since you need the "computer" avail. to Ford Dealers to program it to your car (for one example). Take aftermarket access away, and loose all possibility of repair outside the Dealer since no other sources of the computer services would be allowed.

The MkIII folks should be well aware of this trend, Ford didn't even allow access to the Dealers of software needed to add Fog Lights to a car that didn't come factory equipped with them. It took the Russian "Foccus" program (hack) to allow access for reprogramming the existing system to allow options not fitted at the factory.
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It's more about TUNE than changing simple parameters in the BCM (harmless)

But anyway I'm against your logic since the device (car) is fully paid and should be 100% owned by me... copyrights laws ... don't even start me !

Glad to see that EFF is fighting for this crap!

I'm all for allowing people to do whatever they want to the cars they own. OTH, if you modify something then the car makers have the right to not warranty the modified car/system. If something bad happens to an engine that had been modified why should the car maker warranty the engine? Why should the car maker provide warranty support for a third parties modification?


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I'm all for allowing people to do whatever they want to the cars they own. OTH, if you modify something then the car makers have the right to not warranty the modified car/system. If something bad happens to an engine that had been modified why should the car maker warranty the engine? Why should the car maker provide warranty support for a third parties modification?


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The article ain't about warranty question... of course you will void your warranty!

It's about LOCK DOWN... making repair difficult if not impossible to repair and/or alter the car!

And if you do succeed... they can sue/rape or whatever legit ways to RUIN YOU! (That's what they want the Automakers , invoke DMCA clause in all that)
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