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Old 06-18-2014, 07:37 AM   #11
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I have updated the top post to indicate which PIDs i cannot confirm the equation to help you guys along.
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I have updated the top post to indicate which PIDs i cannot confirm the equation to help you guys along.
I'm go glad you were able to provide this information to us. Did you find these somewhere, or did you collect them yourself?
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Old 06-18-2014, 09:23 AM   #13
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I had some weird stuff going on with the clutch slip equations. Can anyone else verify that these are correct? I think it might be a signed(a) value and even with that I got some readings that I didn't think were accurate - like the *(1/4) part. I'll have to look into it more when I actually have some free time... (read: never)

Or maybe I just typed the equation wrong?
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Old 06-18-2014, 06:24 PM   #14
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I had some weird stuff going on with the clutch slip equations. Can anyone else verify that these are correct? I think it might be a signed(a) value and even with that I got some readings that I didn't think were accurate - like the *(1/4) part. I'll have to look into it more when I actually have some free time... (read: never)

Or maybe I just typed the equation wrong?
I'm getting weird readings, too. I read normal stuff while driving (0-10 RPMs), but when I let off the gas or shift gears it reads in the 16,000s.

I've also noticed that any PID that reads what gear the transmission is in is wrong. I'm either in 0, 2, 5, or 6.
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Old 06-18-2014, 07:27 PM   #15
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Result is correct as I expect it to be.

Remember that we have a dual clutch transmission, so the Gear Engaged should either be 1,3,5 when you are on 2,4 (meaning that the system have engaged the clutch B when you are driving on clutch A). So Gear Engaged merely show you which clutch is engaged as preparation for the next shift.

However, if you want to know which Gear the PCM have commanded, use the Gear Commanded PID I have provided. That should show you Gears 1,2,3,4,5,6 properly.

As for the Clutch Slip, unless I can be proven wrong with a different equation, I believe this equation is correct and there should be no signed(a) value as clutch slip will never be a negative value.
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Old 06-18-2014, 07:36 PM   #16
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The Clutch Engaged explanation makes sense. I've tweaked the PID list and will be testing again tomorrow to see if I've worked it all out.

As for the Clutch Slip, I think it is accurate when it is reading sub-1000 numbers, as I've noticed during shifts it will jump to about 130 (what the dealer said my car frequently shows), and if I downshift it shows 300-500 (which I can watch the RPM dial flare and then come back down). I'm sure the 16,000 reading is just a default when there isn't a reading.
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I'm sure the 16,000 reading is just a default when there isn't a reading.
I would have thought the disengaged reading would be roughly equal to the RPM of the engine? That would make the most sense to me if it's not spinning at all when it's disengaged. And it should really hover around 0 when you're cruising in gear.

Even so, I would think the A is signed, because I remember it jumping from 0 to 16,000 while I was cruising in 6th gear.

EDIT: I did some data logging, I'll see what I can find out.

EDIT #2: Weird... in my data logging (was done at idle), it looks like my values match yours? But when I'm driving the car I think they're way different.

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Is there any "easy" way of setting up these PID's in Torque? (AKA, other than typing them in one at a time)

I was looking at my file system in android and there is a file called TorqueConf.dat that seems to have the custom PID info in it. Is there any way for someone who has all of the PID's configured to share their "TorqueConf.dat" file so we can quickly import all PID's?
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I would have thought the disengaged reading would be roughly equal to the RPM of the engine? That would make the most sense to me if it's not spinning at all when it's disengaged. And it should really hover around 0 when you're cruising in gear.

Even so, I would think the A is signed, because I remember it jumping from 0 to 16,000 while I was cruising in 6th gear.

EDIT: I did some data logging, I'll see what I can find out.

EDIT #2: Weird... in my data logging (was done at idle), it looks like my values match yours? But when I'm driving the car I think they're way different.

To be continued...
As far as I understand, for dual clutch systems, the B clutch will spin when the A clutch is engaged, thats how they advertise that it is a sports clutch, whereby a 2nd clutch is always spinning and ready to engage the moment you shift. So for me, i expect it to be spinning.

I am happy for you to try your signed(A) idea, but logically it does not make sense, since there is no point calculating negative RPM.
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