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Old 10-20-2012, 09:49 AM   #1
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Manual Transmission Fluid 2013

The owners manual says 1.9 quarts. Service Manager at local Ford dealer says 6 Quarts and charged me for such.

Is there any way that the manual capacity of 1.9 is a mis-print?


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The owners manual says 1.9 quarts. Service Manager at local Ford dealer says 6 Quarts and charged me for such.

Is there any way that the manual capacity of 1.9 is a mis-print?
Service manager is probably trying to scam you, why are you even changing the manual transmission fluid in a new 2013 Ford Focus? 1.9 qts seems reasonable for a 5MT, it doesn't need a whole lot of fluid like a torque converter automatic would.
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Suss....changing at 1,000 + miles for the same reasons I'm having the oil drained and changed. Thanks for your reply
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Suss....changing at 1,000 + miles for the same reasons I'm having the oil drained and changed. Thanks for your reply
The manual transmission fluid was a fully synthetic fluid and did not need to be changed at 1000 miles, but since its your car you can do whatever you like to it. The factory workshop manual also specifies a fluid level of 1.9 quarts. If they were charging you for 6 quarts they had better have a good explanation as to why they were wasting 4.1 quarts of synthetic manual transmission fluid.

There are two schools of thought on the early oil change, one that it may help to get the early wear metals out after 1000 miles, and the other that says if you interrupt the break in process early the car might not wear in properly and you may or may not have issues later.

Usually no harm comes from doing it too early, but waiting until at least half the specified interval in the manual (which is maybe a bit excessive even on semi-synthetic oil of 1 yr or 10k miles) isn't likely to hurt the engine either.

Never changing the oil on the other hand can and does kill engines prematurely.
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I would say that the 1.9 qts sounds reasonable. Early Contours with the MTX75 where spec'd at 2.9 qts and the later Contour/Cougar was 2.1 qts.
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Thanks guys, all is well. When shown the owner's manual of 1.9, the service manager made the necessary corrections.

BTW...yep, I've reviewed the many pages of comments re: when to change oils. Interesting reading, and a surprising amount of tech info spread over the many pages that clearly support the longer intervals.
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Even the Dry Dual Clutch automated manual (PowerShift) transmission only uses 1.7 quarts of transmission fluid in service (1.8 quarts listed from dry however). So who ever says a manual Focus needed more than the specified amount is at best ignorant, and at worst a lying thieving b-stard.
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as far as needing to change engine oil because of "metal parts wearing in" I say BS. That was true in the 1930's but with todays machining technology there is no more wear on a new engine than at any other time, if there is wear than there is something wrong. If you're concerned with it cut your oil filter open and take a look.
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Thanks guys, all is well. When shown the owner's manual of 1.9, the service manager made the necessary corrections.

BTW...yep, I've reviewed the many pages of comments re: when to change oils. Interesting reading, and a surprising amount of tech info spread over the many pages that clearly support the longer intervals.
This throws a red flag up for me. Why in the world would the service MANAGER charge you for 6 quarts unless the service order showed 6 quarts. If he was so quick to make the correction, the service order didn't say 6 quarts. I'd be suspicious with any and all procedures at that dealership.
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as far as needing to change engine oil because of "metal parts wearing in" I say BS. That was true in the 1930's but with todays machining technology there is no more wear on a new engine than at any other time, if there is wear than there is something wrong. If you're concerned with it cut your oil filter open and take a look.

Here is a picture of the oil drain pan when I changed the oil for the first time in my 2012 Focus.

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