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Old 08-15-2015, 11:22 AM   #1
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2005 focus. no start, have power

I have a 2005 ford focus with 177000 miles on it. I have owned it since new. recently i have been making it a bit more dependable and getting it ready since i am going to buy a new car i was going to pass this one along to a nephew of mine who will be getting his liscense soon. the only things besides routine oil changes and transmission services that i have done is replaced the alternator twice and one drive axle. other than that this thing has been awesome.

my newest problem is this. I have a check engine light on. I go to the local car parts place to have them look at it and they tell me it is the fuel rail pressure sensor. The parts place doesn't have one so I drove home. Once I got home I popped the hood to locate this sensor so i can see what i am looking for. While I did this i noticed a broken ground wire that was attached to the top left of the engine bay on a little bracket. This single wire feeds into a connector that then goes to what i think is the fuel rail pressure sensor. My thinking was that ground might be causing a problem with the computer and giving me the light. I dissconnect the battery, snip and solder the wire back together, connect the battery back up and no my car won't start. this is literally the last thing i expected to happen.

When I turn my key all my lights work, my dash turns on. my security light blinks which i am think means it is fine, and my odometer shows dashes across is ------ just like that. when i turn the key i get no click of any kind and I don't hear a fuel pump turn on( no really sure if i could before)

so far i have tried

move the gear selector to neutral still no start

check fuses--- i did find my #9 fuse was blown so i replaced that but still no start

checked relays- i did this by putting some in different locations looking for something different to happen

checked grounds coming from the battery- I ended up cleaning them up and making sure they where good.

I tried a different battery from another car

that is where I am at for now, car still doesn't start and i need some expert level wisdom to point me in the right direction.

sorry for the long read but i wanted to make sure i gave out all the info i had.

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Old 08-15-2015, 11:58 AM   #2
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Will it start if you undo the wire you just fixed?
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Will it start if you undo the wire you just fixed?

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Old 08-15-2015, 01:42 PM   #4
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I gave that a try and it still won't start. I am going to upload some pics so you guys will know what i am talking about.


also when i am disconnecting the battery usually when i hook it back up the battery sparks a bunch when you put the terminal on. this thing barely sparks when i am rubbing the terminal on the post. i checked the battery with my meter and it was reading 12.69 volts so it is definately good. could my power wire to the starter or something along those lines be corroded?
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Old 08-15-2015, 01:46 PM   #5
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this is the wire. connects right near the power steering fluid resevoir
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Old 08-15-2015, 06:42 PM   #6
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Unhook that again as mentioned.

If the RF Interference capacitor in the large connection you see in that wire is shot it can be a direct short to ground, blowing the fuse whenever turned on.

If you still get dashes in the odo after disconnectiong that & checking/replacing fuses again, check the small ground wires to the battery - particularly the small one from harness to battery.

Fuel pressure sensor is in the fuel rail, it'll have a wire connector to it and a vacuum hose attached.
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Old 08-17-2015, 12:49 PM   #7
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The black block you deleted there was a capacitor. What you have now is a short to ground that blew the 20 amp fuse, I forget what position. Pull that connector apart and replace the fuse, then order a new capacitor.

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Old 08-17-2015, 09:30 PM   #8
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sailor,

I did check the ground wires from the battery and they looked alright. I fixed them up nice anyways and it didn't change anything.

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I haven't deleted anything yet. all I did was connect the wire that I saw was broken. I am going to disconnect it and check my #9 fuse again. are you saying there is also a fuse inside that little black box or do I follow it further down and disconnect it.

when I get home from work tonight I am going to give this stuff a try and report back.
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this is the wire. connects right near the power steering fluid resevoir
Yes. No problem. That is supposed to be connected onto ground.
Edit: Gray words above later found to be very incorrect. See post-13 for details.

Follow the wire back to where it came from. It will end up going back to the RF Filter (aka Ignition Filter Capacitor Thingy). That tiny RF Filter black box should have two wires going into it. Does it? Can you see a broken spot and a dangling 12V Hot wire? If yes, that is the problem. Cover the dangling wire end with electrical tape and fix it properly later on.

Note - some RF Filters (like mine) are Passive and only have a single wire which connects similar to yours, onto ground. No Hot wire on mine.

If your RF Filter has the broken Hot wire problem, fuse 9 can blow and in some cases can also blow the Power Hold Relay diode -aka PCM Power Diode and this also causes "dashes" in the odometer. Review Owners manual for exact location of this diode; inside battery junction fuse box and is the only totally Black looking fuse (but might have 2 of these diodes, but the other one is for a different system <engine cooling fans IIRC>.
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is there a restriction on amount of pics i can upload. i keep getting an error message when i try.

either way. it is running again. the fuses that i bought to replace the number 9 are super hard to read so i hadnt noticed it had blown again. i unplugged the little black thing replaced the fuse and it starts.

now how do i fix it for real? i dont see how i can replace the black plug unless i have to splice in a new one. will an autoparts store have it?

i also located the fuel pressure sensor on the rail. is this only available through ford? anybody know what years would work if i go to a junk hard and pick one real quick.

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