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Old 04-24-2015, 12:49 AM   #1
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Transmission Axle shaft seal install question

As many of you have read I am in the process of changing the passenger side front wheel bearing and half shaft as seen in another thread on the forum.

One of the things I have been intending to do since I got the car is replace the axle shaft seals as they have been seeping, and since I am replacing the half shaft anyways now is the perfect time to do it. However I ran into a bit of an issue. I was able to get the old seal out, but I haven't been able to get the replacement seal in. I am using a seal and bushing driver set to try to install it (which one would think would make it easier after all it is in its name what I am trying to do), it just keeps going in cockeyed instead of straight.

Does anybody have any tips or how to's on this? I can't keep throwing axle shaft seals at the car just to keep screwing them up, already ruined the 2 I had originally purchased to do both sides. I even unbolted the half shaft bearing bracket to hope to get more room to maneuver things (like a hammer). The car is a 06 ZXW with automagic transmission and was trying to use Timken axle shaft seals.


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Old 04-24-2015, 01:01 AM   #2
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That's no fun, healthy size seal & driver there.

Driver is just larger than the seal so you don't need to worry about over driving it, right?

If you can get the fresh one started square by hand it makes life a lot easier.

Hold absolutely square to start, if it cocks a little with a first hit you need to tap with the tool still square (so it hits only the high spot) to get it straight again B4 hitting harder to drive in further.

If you can get it started in square you've got it made, they're worst for cocking to an angle when first getting them started in the hole.
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Old 04-24-2015, 03:22 PM   #3
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I wouldn't say all that heavy duty, just one of the aluminum ones from the Harbor Freight set I have. Just a lot of pounding to try to get it in. I already ordered the official tool to install the axle seal, for it for a good price on eBay. Figure it is a good investment as I plan to do the driver side as well, eventually.

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Old 04-25-2015, 03:11 PM   #4
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I know exactly what you are talking about. Last time I ended up actively searching for an exact diameter pilot along with a rachet extension so I could get an idea of just how straight it as viewed in all those hanging down parts. The extension had to be exact length too. After that it popped right in. Simply trying to whack on it ALWAYS twists the seal sideways and the slightest bit of deformation and the seal will NEVER go in right then. At the $15 apiece pricing most parts stores want for those stupid seals it gets expensive quick. Depends as well on if the seal is one of the armored ones too, I've pulled that armor insert out before to get one in easier. I like the armor on the driver side though. Funny thing, I've never lost a non-armored seal due to damage.
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Old 04-27-2015, 09:30 AM   #5
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Well looks like USPS has surprised me again, as it appears that the 307-572 axle seal installer should be here this afternoon, instead of on Thursday like originally quoted. Now if UPS gets the 205-153 matching handle here today (or if the handle to my current HF seal installer set will work on it) I should be good to go. In someway the axle seal is getting installed this week, either by myself, or if I continue to have issues with it the dealer, can't afford more downtime.

This is what it looks like, specially made just for this axle shaft/output shaft seal.
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Old 04-27-2015, 11:12 AM   #6
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Cool. Thanks for sharing those tool part numbers.

You might not gain anything with this, but thought I would suggest it anyway. The output shaft seal might install easier if frozen and the trans warmed up some with a heat gun/hair drier. Might only gain .0002-inch difference, but hey, take what you can get and anything helps with stubborn interference fit stuff.

...and checking the leading edges of the parts going together... no burs, needs to be smooth like butter, so polish em' anyway possible.
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Old 04-27-2015, 12:35 PM   #7
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Thanks for the tip, will have to try it. I have heard of that trick before for installing other things but have never needed it installing bushings before. One other thing I saw somewhere was to coat the seal in the fluid that it will be sealing to help get it installed (in this case Mercon V transmission fluid).

As for the part numbers, they are straight from the Factory Service Manuals, which was one if the first purchases. They aren't cheap of you buy them new, but if you look around you can find them at reasonable prices (on eBay for instance), but sometimes it is the tool you need. As the old saying goes, always use the right tool for the job.

Either way if the tool and tips help installing, it will help save several hundred over having a dealer or other shop do the work.

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Won't work, you'll spend too much time getting the parts in place to do it. I freeze/heat all the time, you must be set up to do it in less than 30 seconds as the parts lose the heat differential almost instantly. As soon as they touch you got less than 10 seconds to get it done. You should see me running with a wheel bearing from the freezer.............LOL.
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I spent about a month working inside a depot level repair shop for helicopter rotor-head overhaul work. In this shop, most bushings were replaced using this technique (temperature diff). Not a fair comparison because they had huge ovens, liquid nitrogen, perfect tools and conditions, and because of this the whole process was butter.

This bushing is kinda small and once frozen, and installing it, will warm up pretty fast. I would not rush the job worrying about the bushing getting warm quickly; but focus primarily on all other facets of getting the bushing installed properly. Despite the challenges of using temp-diff on our car trans, if I was doing it, I would include temp-diff in my first or second effort.
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Much bigger parts would tend to hold the heat longer..............seals are a problem doing this as they have no mass to retain heat. I was referring to a wheel bearing with the above timelines.
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